If you experienced the true effect of misery in poverty, especially in day-to-day shelling, you'd keep your mouth shut. How about spending a month living in the slums of Palestinian refugee camps, eh? Lets see how you are going to think after that! Put yourself in those people's shoes, or else dont bother typing here.
and you xperienced tru "misery in poverty" in Sochi?
Dopey
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Originally posted by qussay
OPEN YOUR EYES PEOPLE .....
Just interested, my brother, would you take a peace deal with Israel for 50% of the land they currently occupy? I would never do it. Drive them to the sea, the giant well!
LazFX
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Originally posted by Q5echo
i was married for 9 years. thats gotta count for somethin.
Q5echo FTW!
qussay
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Originally posted by Dopey
I am with you brother!
Throw the Jew down the well!
Just interested, my brother, would you take a peace deal with Israel for 50% of the land they currently occupy? I would never do it. Drive them to the sea, the giant well!
NO .. I wouldnt ! its not that i dont want peace , but like you said " its occupied land " !!!
I am originally Palestinian , born and raised in Jordan. Not many people in this forum will understand what we see and feel , thats why i posted this video , recorded by a non Arab / Muslim reporter , so it would be taken more seriously , by the israeli hypnotized majority of today's world ... :p
Its our duty to spread this information to the rest of the world .. ! More power to you brother ...
LazFX
Well I can see why both sides are ed for a while longer....
I even cringed when the young jewish Lad stated: "WE KILLED JESUS, AND PROUD OF IT"
I guess that line that the Jews were screaming about in the Passion of Christ should of not been taken out. "May his blood be on our hands and our generations" or something like that
:rolleyes:
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British film crew threatened by druken settler in Hebron: [Hat tip: Yolanda]
Tel Rumeida is a small Palestinian neighborhood deep in the West Bank city of Hebron. Palestinian families from whom these settlers occupied lands, live directly next to these settlers and are often virtual prisoners in their homes, subject to the settlers’ violent attacks and destruction of property.
Once again, religion is screwing our world up. I love how he says, "God gave me this land and oh yeah, Fock You!"
I am sure there are actual Palistinians and Jews that want peace and I am sure they can live side by side, but for the gods sake, with attitudes like this.... :rolleyes:
God is shaking her head in sadness.
:mad:
Lilith
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Originally posted by Magnetonium
If you experienced the true effect of misery in poverty, especially in day-to-day shelling, you'd keep your mouth shut. How about spending a month living in the slums of Palestinian refugee camps, eh? Lets see how you are going to think after that! Put yourself in those people's shoes, or else dont bother typing here.
Which is the crux of the problem, we don't do that and we do even less to help as a worldwide community.
It's like a car accident over the 'bad side' of town which kills someone from a drunk driver crashing into someone's house, very few communities I've ever lived in would have people from the good side of town wander down with some bricks and mortar to patch up the hole in the side of the house.
We do nothing, we're too afraid to cross over into the bad side of town. I do nothing to help either, judging one side over another and their 'sins' would make me a complete hypocrite.
Footnote- You'd be very surprised where you can buy a Canadian made, Colt knock off of the M16, they turn up in the damnedest of places.
Magnetonium
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Originally posted by Magnetonium
1) Did Palestinians have independent state?
2) Were many Palestinians able to return to lands that Israel had illegally forced them from?
3) Did Israel do anything to accomodate the Palestinian people living in refugee camps?
4) Did Israel pay for all damages and did it apologize for illegally forcing out over 700,000 Palestinian people from their homes permanently?
5) Did they receive the same funds as lets say Israel for its Jewish population? How much money did USA give to Israel of which ended up in Palestinian coffers?
------> Originally posted by Yoepus
What's your position on Chechnya?
Irrelevant question to the topic, but with regards to the same questions:
1) Chechens voted in a referendum to stay within Russian Federation couple years ago
2) Chechens were allowed to return to ALL lands they previously lived on - and since the ethnic Russians mostly didn't came back, there's plenty of space ...
3) Russia put out a budget to bring Chechen people to normal lives as quickly as possible, as over 200,000 Chechens lived in makeshift tents and refugee camps in freezing cold for over 3 years. Many were given money or temporary housing, but Russian government made every effort to eventually close down all refugee camps by 2005.
4) No apologies issued by either sides, and damages done to people, both ordinary ethnic Russians and Chechens can never be redeemed. The war was truly appalling and dehumanizing, and should have been avoided.
5) Chechen Republic receives more government funding than any other Russian federal subject/region. And unfortunately, thats still not enough to bring pre-1990 levels to Chechen republic. But at least the shells are not firing anymore. Many people are back to peaceful lives.
Also, this is an internal Russian issue, and I support my own country, just like you support yours, and in this case both Chechens and Russians need each other. My point is, the life is better for Chechens than Palestinians right now, though I am not justifying the terrible wars of the last decade in Chechnya. Actually, judging by the radical forces and Middle East connections/funding that were behind those Chechen unrests, you should be on my side here?
Its debatable on the Chechen issue, my weakness I must admit. I know I am not perfect and not always right and it appears as I am double standarded on the Chechen issue, but unfortunately I am not backing down for protecting the integrity of my people.
Anyhow, back to the topic!
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Originally posted by Q5echo
i was married for 9 years. thats gotta count for somethin.
I dated for a half a year a single mother of 2, 4 years older than me, thats gotta count for somethin? :nervous:
Subey
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Originally posted by Lilith
Just like people's opinions will be formed by a bias one way or another by absorbing enough of it over time along with any people they know or ethnic ties going back.
But spare me the faux human sympathies.
You don't know these people, don't know their lives and really don't know very much aside from what you read and watch and you all mostly live in well developed 1st world countries which have contributed their own sins and ignorance toward either side
have us landed with more pomposity and self-righteousness than you'd find in an organised religion :)
Oh Noes! The double whammy... ethnocentrism multiplied by living in a high castle!
I can't conceive of a way out of that pigeon hole. But, wait, maybe if I were to identify the filters that are warping the accuracy of my perception I could somehow compensate for the distortion?
Kinda like sending the shuttle up to the Hubal telescope (not to be confused with the Hubble) to retrofit it. If I did that, I wonder what I would see?
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Originally posted by Subey
It's a human issue. As soon as you move it to an arena of Arab vs Whomever then you have done exactly that, moved it to an arena.
Then your comments are reduced to mere pennant waving. Go team Go!
Deja vu :clown:
Lilith
I was merely expanding on what you wrote.
I'm also quite drunk at this point so you're not getting anything else remotely comprehensible out of me.
Subey
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Originally posted by Lilith
I was merely expanding on what you wrote.
I'm also quite drunk at this point so you're not getting anything else remotely comprehensible out of me.
I liked some of your points, but it's also quite clear that you spend a lot of your time waving the "Go Poor Team" pennant. Given your life history the potential for you to focus your perception at that level of the human condition is understandable, but it is just another arena.
It's almost 3am over there! Get some sleep.
Lilith
Don't take it as a lack of sympathy, I understand it all too well to be displaced, its just that I don't think my contributions to it, (being who I am) would be either wanted or warranted by muslims or jews alike.
After all, who wants another bloody ignorant tourist from overseas stumbling around your backyard thinking they know everything and have all the answers to your societies problems?
It's blind, arrogant crap like that which got the US up to their necks in the latest expeditionary police action that is Iraq and unlike US gunboat diplomacy I've got better sense than to stick my head in where it's not wanted.
sod monday, I worked all weekend, work can jam it up their bum
Subey
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Originally posted by Lilith
It's blind, arrogant crap like that which got the US up to their necks in the latest expeditionary police action that is Iraq and unlike US gunboat diplomacy I've got better sense than to stick my head in where it's not wanted.
I apologize if the following means of communication is problematic... many find it so :D
A coarse analysis of your thought process -
Action X - initiated in western nation named US.
Result Y - chaos and lowered quality of life in Middle Eastern nation named Iraq.
Analysis: Chaos and lowered Q.O.L. are negative. Therefore Action X is negative, therefore nation named US should not have initiated Action X. Yet they did initiate it.
Many, many people would agree with that train of logic. And entire leagues are formed in arenas all across the world to discuss its merits.
However... since you *CONVENIENTLY* dropped in my lap the following...
Action A - initiated in person named Lilith, where action X is to become intoxicated night before working the next day
Result B - negative impact on income/job etc.
Analysis: Results are negative. Therefore Action A is negative, therefore person named Lilith should not have initiated Action A on a work night. Yet you DID initiate it.
My point: People at every level of organization *choose* actions which result in negative consequences. You are neither naive or stupid. You know that cracking open the wine on a Sunday night invokes a template of future probable outcomes whose basic schema is identical to Russian roulette.
Humans are neither naive or stupid. As a trivial example, having multiple "1 true religions" is a kind of global Russian roulette. The only question worth asking is what are the dividends for these actions if the immediate analysis shows none? Does this post qualify as a dividend of your drinking?
The light at the end of the chaos is seen off the reflection of things like Machu Picchu and The Great Wall. Yesterday's strife, is transmuted into today's jewels in Ourstory's Crown. That's the inferred nature of divine alchemy.
