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Palestinian-Israeli Conflict Thread (pg. 8)
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| qussay |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dopey
But my brother, I don't think Israel will ever offer us more than 50% of the land, and I really want to see our youth live in peace and not in war. War is horrible, I think we should settle for half the land if it means that our brothers will stop dying, don't you? I am tired of death! |
i am very tired of death myself ... !
Palestinians will never give up their land , and israel will never give anything up , and if they do , it will mean they will have something else in return . Dont also forget Jerusalem . Neither side will even come close to giving it up ... !
I do hope the innocent killing will stop soon , let me rephrase , the killing of innocent palestinians . |
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| Capitalizt |
The arab world hasn't advanced intellectually or culturally in the past 500 years. All of these muslim countries in the middle east see that the Jews have taken a worthless piece of desert and turned it into a thriving world economy and they just can't stand the sight of it. They see it as an insult to all arabs. The Israelis are are building skyscrapers, modern communications networks, and dozens of factories each month. They have the ONLY stable democracy in the region, and an educated workforce that is trading products and ideas with the rest of the world. The Palestinians meanwhile continue trading GOATS as currency just as they did 500 years ago...and their best engineering advances have been limited to making more efficient bomb belts for ignorant muslims to use against civilians.
As long as the Palestinian people embrace Islamofascist ideas and reject any type of progress towards a civilized society, I see no reason to feel sorry for them.
Long live Israel. |
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| Dopey |
| quote: | Originally posted by qussay
i am very tired of death myself ... !
Palestinians will never give up their land , and israel will never give anything up , and if they do , it will mean they will have something else in return . Dont also forget Jerusalem . Neither side will even come close to giving it up ... !
I do hope the innocent killing will stop soon , let me rephrase , the killing of innocent palestinians . |
How can the death stop if we keep fighting? If we just show those worthless Jews that we can be peaceful people, they will give us more and more land. If they give us 20% in a peace deal and then 5 bomb-free years later we say, give us 30% or we will go back to terror, they will. And so on until we get at least half our land back. I don't think we can ask for more than 50% total, but at least that will be something. I am so tired of war, we must try a different way. We must think of our children who will inherit these gasoline laced streets of Ramallah and nothing else if we keep going with the violence. :( |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Capitalizt
The arab world hasn't advanced intellectually or culturally in the past 500 years. All of these muslim countries in the middle east see that the Jews have taken a worthless piece of desert and turned it into a thriving world economy and they just can't stand the sight of it. They see it as an insult to all arabs. The Israelis are are building skyscrapers, modern communications networks, and dozens of factories each month. They have the ONLY stable democracy in the region, and an educated workforce that is trading products and ideas with the rest of the world. The Palestinians meanwhile continue trading GOATS as currency just as they did 500 years ago...and their best engineering advances have been limited to making more efficient bomb belts for ignorant muslims to use against civilians.
As long as the Palestinian people embrace Islamofascist ideas and reject any type of progress towards a civilized society, I see no reason to feel sorry for them.
Long live Israel. |
...and if they do have anything, it's only because they've exploited their own natural resources to do it.
Want to stop war abroad? Get off your ass and buy a bicycle! :disbelief |
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| Haunted |
| quote: | Originally posted by qussay
iisrael will never give anything up , and if they do , it will mean they will have something else in return |
umm, yeah, peace.
there are palestinians living in israel, you have religous freedom. what else do you ing want? would you rather the israelis packed their things up and left so you can just squander the land?
brainwashed backwards people, seriously get a clue. the fact of the matter is, you want the land all to yourself because you're greedy, powerhungry religious fanatics living in the dark ages, if your people had any smarts whatsoever you'd get a clue and realize that israel isn't going anywhere and you'd learn to live in peace among them.
but those 72 virgins are much more tempting aren't they |
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by Capitalizt
The arab world hasn't advanced intellectually or culturally in the past 500 years. All of these muslim countries in the middle east see that the Jews have taken a worthless piece of desert and turned it into a thriving world economy and they just can't stand the sight of it. They see it as an insult to all arabs. The Israelis are are building skyscrapers, modern communications networks, and dozens of factories each month. They have the ONLY stable democracy in the region, and an educated workforce that is trading products and ideas with the rest of the world. The Palestinians meanwhile continue trading GOATS as currency just as they did 500 years ago...and their best engineering advances have been limited to making more efficient bomb belts for ignorant muslims to use against civilians.
As long as the Palestinian people embrace Islamofascist ideas and reject any type of progress towards a civilized society, I see no reason to feel sorry for them.
Long live Israel. |
Ummmm, first of all, Arab states have fought against Israel long before it became "thriving world economy". I guess you recommend Palestinians to STOP RESISTANCE and continue living in refugee camps, second-class citizens of Israel, no independence, no self-sustained economy, no apologies, no lands back. Yes, hail to Israel!!!! :rolleyes:
Israel did not give any of these things and others when there were years of peace. And judging by that, Israel will unlikely give anything in the future without the language of force. Freedom must be fought for, one cannot assume and hope it will be given to him/her. Africans / African Americans fought for rights, for freedoms, etc. It wasnt given to them at free will. |
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| Yoepus |
Unfortunately due to time constraints I can't be as active as I would like in this thread. I have read a little of it, and there seems to be an utter ignorance of misunderstood facts and history of the conflict that people are exploting to fit into their personal agendas and udnerstanding of the world.
So let me clarify a few points:
Palestinianism (as in Palestinian Arabs a distinct culture and national identity from other Arabs) only emereged in the 1960s. These are when the independent movements orginated, prior to the the Palestinian Arabs, were simply "Arabs" either of Jordan or Egypt.
Most Palestinian Arabs, just like most Jews, started immigrating to the lands know of Israel/West Bank/Gaza after the British conquest of the Turks (1915). Previously both populations were fairly sticky. However, with the British, and European Jews coming in there was a mad rush for jobs and a better life in a propserous new economy.
Although being the first country to recongize Israel in its UN vote to accept it as a nation, US did not provide any significant contribution till the 1973 war. And this was primarly motivated only as a counter-balance to Soviet aid of the Arab armies.
In 1978 as a concession to the peace treaty signed between Egypt and Israel, the USA awarded financial gains to both parties. The same happened between the peace with Israel and Jordan in 1995. And Oslo in 1993.
Today the USA supplies Israel roughly 2-3 billion in military aid which is more of a US-arms subsudiy brought to you by lobbyist of the arms companies than it is a support to Israel (Israel is forced to spend 80% of this amount of so only from US arms suppliers with the ok of the US government).
Prior to 1973 no substaintial US aid was given to Israel in terms of money or arms. Before that, Israel was primarly a French client state. This declined after the defeat of British and French sphere of influence after the 1956 Suez war which decided that this region was under US sphere of influence.
US involement with Israel, just as the Palestinian issue, are fairly modern issues that post-date the creation of Israel and Zionism. |
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| Magnetonium |
Yoepus ... you are very ignorant for saying that the native populations, BEFORE the immigration of Arabs and Jews to the region deserved the massive expulsion from the area for the sakes of a Jewish state. There is no proof to suggest that the area of Israel/Palestine was completely barren and uninhabited and then in 1915 Jews and Arabs started coming there and settling and etc. Thats a pile of horshe and you know it. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by Subey
Because SF are my first two initials? or you figured my obituary will involve a leap and the Golden Gate Bridge? :D
I've never been to the western part of the continent. I live in the shadow of the Peace Tower. |
Well, I think you'd really like it there and would fit in just fine too :). I don't know, you've kind of got that West Coast, SF in particular, asthetic sense at the very least, going by your avatar and all. |
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| Subey |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Well, I think you'd really like it there and would fit in just fine too :). I don't know, you've kind of got that West Coast, SF in particular, asthetic sense at the very least, going by your avatar and all. |
But your location says Austin! So instead let's talk about Austin, which I've been to!
I went there to battle the Dellionaires! and I played video games and ate pizza at Dave and Busters! |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by Subey
But your location says Austin! So instead let's talk about Austin, which I've been to!
I went there to battle the Dellionaires! and I played video games and ate pizza at Dave and Busters! |
Cool, didn't know you've been down here :). How long ago was that? It's becoming so corporate, so fast  . For example, they tore down a bunch of old apartment complexes near campur and are replacing them with highrises, indcluding one of the complexes I used to live in during my sophmore year. And alot of the local family owned business are disappearing too. All these McDonalds and Wendys etc are popping up all over the place :sadgreen:. It's weird how much has changed in only a span of three years or so. |
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
Yoepus ... you are very ignorant for saying that the native populations, BEFORE the immigration of Arabs and Jews to the region deserved the massive expulsion from the area for the sakes of a Jewish state. There is no proof to suggest that the area of Israel/Palestine was completely barren and uninhabited and then in 1915 Jews and Arabs started coming there and settling and etc. Thats a pile of horshe and you know it. |
Looks Magnetonium, I'm not ignorant of the conflict. I am not saying all Palestinian Arabs migrated to the land. I am saying the majority did - just like the Jews. Just like the Palestinians, there are many Jews who can trace their ancestry to the land for many, many generations. And like the Palestinian Arabs many have been displaced from their homes because of this conflict (both Jericho and Hebron held significant Jewish communities thought the ages).
You can read up on it. There is a great article that goes into specific detail about it at: http://www.ourjerusalem.com/history...ry20020906.html
It is extracted apparently from the Harvard Israel Review
Then, to confirm the truthfulness of the population numbers you can verify this against wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palest...Mandate_periods
And make your own conclusions.
Lastly, I will add another point of history you may or may not be aware of: 500,000 - 800,000 Jews (similar in number to the amount of Palestinians displaced) were forced to move or it was so intolerable to stay and live in neighboring Arab countries as the state of Israel formed, and those nations no longer saw the Jews as part of them, but as an enemy.
Since 1948, Jews in Arab lands have been reduced by more than 99%.
The difference is, Israel welcomed their brethren into their land, it did not set them up in refugee camps for years and years and year, encouraging them to go to a home they were forced to abandon. Unlike hwo the Arabs have treated the Palestinian Arabs.
You can learn more about it here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish...tes_.281948-.29 |
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