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Annoying kid at John Kerry rally gets tased. (pg. 16)
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| Theresa |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sunsnail
Yeah. Super-Theresa would have done something for sure :stongue: |
That's the thing. People are too afraid to do anything.
The girl screaming "what are you doing? STOP!" at least tried. Sure it wasn't very helpful, but at least SOMEONE was attempting to fight against something wrong. Everyone else just sat there and let it happen. Why? Probably because they were afraid of what the consequences may be to themselves if they spoke up, or because they were to dense to realize that what was happening wasn't right.
You're right though, I probably wouldn't have started something violent, but I likely would have been the one screaming for them to stop, and for someone to help. I'm obviously not going to be stupid enough to throw myself in the midst of 7 people in a physical struggle, many of whom have taser-guns and fire arms.
I just find it sad that in general, people have been trained to just lay down and obey "authority" instead of questioning, and reacting when it's appropriate. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
Well consider the crowd. As I said before, the type of people inclined to attend a John Kerry forum in Florida probably aren't the type of people inclined to realize encroachment when they see it. :P
Unless the guy being tackled was of a minority. lololol |
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| mezzir |
| quote: | Originally posted by Theresa
The situation, IMO, was handled in a very poor manner.
Yes, the guy was being a douche, and yes, he was being a little over-reactive/dramatic.
With that in mind, can someone explain to me where, in the first amendment that it states "you have the right to freedom of speech, so long as it isn't done dramatically, and you're not a douche,"?
He didn't break a law. Sure, he stomped all over some social expectancies, but that certainly doesn't require a 50,00 volt shock to the chest.
"He was resisting arrest, that's why they shocked him." What was he being arrested for? He had a right to resist being man-handled. He didn't do anything to be treated the way he was being treated.
The thing that disgusts me far more than anything else in this video, is the way the people who watched all of this unfold, sat there and did NOTHING. People are so complacent... little sheep who do what they are told, don't use their own brains to question what is around them, and accept things as they are. People would rather watch a horrible thing happen in front of them, and instead of fighting for what they think is right, let it happen... even if that were to mean death of many, including themselves. |
could've quoted a bajillion posts in this thread but this was the closest
everyone is arguing about the conclusion while its clear we disagree on some key premises
here's the events as i saw them
1: from what i've heard, this dude and some other crazy super-lefties have made a habit of using any sort of forum to get up and yell about their beliefs
2: this guy gets up and starts asking a question far longer than he should have, crowd is slightly annoyed, as are the moderators
3: the dude also implies that since kerry's been talking for two hours, he should get some time too (WRONG, this is a forum for people to prompt kerry to talk about things)
4: once he says he has two more questions, you can actually hear the crowd grown, and start to laugh
5: when he brings up skull & bones they cut his mic, as he's gotten way too far off topic ( i think it was a perfectly legitimate thing to do)
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here's where people start to differ
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6: two campus police who were at the event go to escort him out of the building, and he starts yelling why are you arresting him (they weren't arresting hi
7: the crowd starts to cheer (because he's getting kicked the out) and he starts to push and shove the officers (disorderly conduct, assulting an officer anyong?), also swears at them.
8: douche bag keeps yelling, two more officers join to try to get him to shut up and leave quietly, and as they're bringing him to the back he starts yelling 'help' (and flopping around like a fish out of water, i'm not kidding, go watch it again). shortly after, the kid says 'they're arresting me!'.
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Now, in my opinion, this would be enough to arrest him. They tried to get him to leave the premises and DID NOT use force, in fact he was the one being violent.
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9: here's the awesome part, there's a break in the footage. he goes from standing up yelling for help to being on the floor. they might be trying to arrest him at this point, which seems plausible and justified to me, and he keeps yelling and flailing. at this point, if a subject is resisting arrest, tasering isn't out of the question. it might have been a bit excessive, but not completely wrong. Also around this time, you can hear the woman with the camera saying they've got a taser on his chest and he's still yelling, and then calls him an idiot, LOL!
So, in summary, THIS GUY IS A ING DOUCHE. The cops were not initially arresting him, and by assuming they were he thought he was being wronged, and therefore resisted, and therefore did something to warrant being arrested. Oooooh the irony :p |
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| mezzir |
on a lighter note, ytmnd really does have some ing hilarious about this dude up :haha:
http://dtmbkombat.ytmnd.com/
http://gocrazydonttazeme.ytmnd.com/
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| Halcyon+On+On |
The fact still remains that he wanted to speak but was met with violence.
Nobody is denying he was being a jerk. From the jeers of the crowd, we might even assume that nobody was interested in hearing his questions at all. But what is right about tasering and subduing people you don't want to hear? Is that really what you want? Do none of you get a bad feeling in the pit of your stomach at the thought of a world where everything said is exactly what people want to hear, and those who speak "out of line" are summarily electrocuted?
Also, whose side are you on where you blame this guy for resisting arrest? And why is the status of him being arrested really in question? Several people in black uniforms armed with guns and tasers came to take him away. Oh, but they were just campus cops empowered by a horrible little piece of legislation - they weren't real cops, which means...uh, well....what the is the difference?
this is the same dumb as that guy who was tasered in a library at a California University some months ago. It's not the relevance of this particular incident that is really of much significance; it's the implications this has to the rest of us. Things are starting to look an awful lot like Germany, circa '35 around here... |
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| mezzir |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
The fact still remains that he wanted to speak but was met with violence.
Nobody is denying he was being a jerk. From the jeers of the crowd, we might even assume that nobody was interested in hearing his questions at all. But what is right about tasering and subduing people you don't want to hear? Is that really what you want? Do none of you get a bad feeling in the pit of your stomach at the thought of a world where everything said is exactly what people want to hear, and those who speak "out of line" are summarily electrocuted?
Also, whose side are you on where you blame this guy for resisting arrest? And why is the status of him being arrested really in question? Several people in black uniforms armed with guns and tasers came to take him away. Oh, but they were just campus cops empowered by a horrible little piece of legislation - they weren't real cops, which means...uh, well....what the is the difference?
this is the same dumb as that guy who was tasered in a library at a California University some months ago. It's not the relevance of this particular incident that is really of much significance; it's the implications this has to the rest of us. Things are starting to look an awful lot like Germany, circa '35 around here... |
he wasn't being arrested, he was being escorted out. He was the one who was violent in the first place. Watch the video again, they grab his arms and try to escort him out (not violently however, just forcefully). And then he starts flailing and yelling. And seriously, people need to quit it with the nazi comparisons, i've been hearing it wayyyy too much lately.
In the interest of full disclosure, I live in an area where the average person's political beliefs are right in line with sir-don't-tase-me-bro, and I'm ing sick of it.
Oh and here's the big difference, they didn't taser and subdue someone they didn't want to hear. They tried to peacefully remove someone who was disrupting the forum, and when met with violence from him, subdued him, and then when met with more violence and non-cooperation, tasered him. People, he didnt get tasered for his political views, or for disrupting the forum. He got tasered for assaulting a ing police officer. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| I used to host public lectures all the time, and this was not an appropriate response. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| quote: | Originally posted by mezzir
he wasn't being arrested, he was being escorted out. He was the one who was violent in the first place. Watch the video again, they grab his arms and try to escort him out (not violently however, just forcefully). And then he starts flailing and yelling. And seriously, people need to quit it with the nazi comparisons, i've been hearing it wayyyy too much lately.
In the interest of full disclosure, I live in an area where the average person's political beliefs are right in line with sir-don't-tase-me-bro, and I'm ing sick of it.
Oh and here's the big difference, they didn't taser and subdue someone they didn't want to hear. They tried to peacefully remove someone who was disrupting the forum, and when met with violence from him, subdued him, and then when met with more violence and non-cooperation, tasered him. People, he didnt get tasered for his political views, or for disrupting the forum. He got tasered for assaulting a ing police officer. |
Seriously. Are people blind?? Can you guys not discern for yourselves what is actually going on in that video?? IT'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR ING FACES. |
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| nchs09 |
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
Seriously. Are people blind?? Can you guys not discern for yourselves what is actually going on in that video?? IT'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR ING FACES. |
whats wrong with his assessment? i find it to be correct. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| quote: | Originally posted by nchs09
whats wrong with his assessment? i find it to be correct. |
I'm agreeing with him, moron. |
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| Omega_M |
What is it that is so hard for you guys to understand ?
How many cops does it take to drag a loud protesting unarmed kid (who has already been forced on the ground btw) out of the building without resorting to any lethal or non lethal force whatsoever ? |
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| nchs09 |
| oh yes, sorry. Your post was so clear... how could i miss it. |
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