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Annoying kid at John Kerry rally gets tased. (pg. 23)
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| {b.s.e.} |
the fact that the student was informed on a few things and asking questions doesn't give pigs the right to tase him (or arrest him for that matter) while he's on the ground, cuffed and surrounded. your stupid country.
he just wanted to know why Kerry was such a and conceded to Bush, which brought him to another poignant question: "are you a member of the skull and bones?" which he is.
bring on the SPP so we can just skip over the nonsense and get straight to Armageddon. |
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| RJT |
^^Exactly what I was talking about. Thanks for proving my point {b.s.e.}.  |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by RJT
If you're really content comparing a public internet forum to the event in which this kid chose to cause a scene, that's fine with me - but you'd be wrong, and the analogy is flawed on so many levels it hurts. |
Content? Do you think I'd be arguing here if I were content? :stongue:
Really though - what is the difference between public and private forums? Question that. Private forums are places where people can get together and do whatever the they want while keeping the people who might disagree with them out? And here I thought that was a particular brand of freedom reserved only for Christians.
| quote: | | Also, I'd love for you to point me to where I say anything remotely like "People with dissenting opinions should be 'fixed.'" All I've said in this thread is that the kid got exactly what he deserved - nothing more. |
I didn't say you said that. Very few people would actually come out and say that - it sounds really bad, yaknowwhatimean? However, you don't have to take a particular stance to inadvertently give power to it. You seem to be of mind that everyone should stand in line all the time or else they should be punished - because that is what they deserve? I know you don't really think this, but take a look at what you have been saying.
| quote: | | And further, Voltaire was referring to the right to hold and advocate positions opposing majority rule - he was not saying "Hey, if you feel like going to a privately organized debate or forum and feel like acting like a giant , you should be allowed to." If you really feel like contorting his words to fit your bleeding heart, that's fine - but again, you're wrong. |
Everything is privately organized. How are you actually making the distinction between private and public? By what little government sheets of paper tend to categorize them in? By their tax status?
Politics in this sense are not a private affair and should not be. The actions of politicians affect us all and so they should have to answer to us all. Even the crazy, pushy bastards have a lot to say sometimes.
private political events and their private security forces who have all of the powers of police, yet few of the restrictions.
I am really quite glad he interrupted that forum - free speech is reserved for only those who belong to the 'club', it would seem. Politics are for those who stand in line and wait their turn, just as America is reserved for people who only speak English. |
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| inconspicuous |
| quote: | Originally posted by {b.s.e.}
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by inconspicuous
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So funny, I almost forgot to vote for the most sensible and safe leader who will deliver this country into economic and military greatness once more while upholding those "core American values" that make this country such a wonderful place to live. :gsmile: |
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| RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
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Where have I implied that everyone should stand in line, all the time, or face punishment? You haven't quoted a word from me that could even possibly indicate such a position, and beyond that, you really seem to be advocating a position where anyone can do and say whatever they feel in any given situation and not face any kind of penalty - you show me one society in the world where that's the case, and I'll videotape myself eating .
Furthermore, your opinion on what politics should be, and how the laws here actually work are two completely different things - so just because this whole incident upsets you a little bit doesn't mean that your position is justified by any kind of legitimate authority, so what it comes down to is the fact that you're upset a kid was handled roughly at an event where he quite literally had no rights what-so-ever. Tough .
And politicians do have to answer to us all - those of us with half a brain (and who know how to act like adults) simply know the proper way to go about it. s simply looking for a reaction will always be treated as they should be; like s.
s like this kid have never changed the world, if anything - they've only served to push us in the wrong direction. I'm truly appalled that some of you out there want to make a martyr out of him.
Edit: Yeah, Halcyon - when you feel like stepping off the soapbox and actually talking about how things work in the real world, let me know. :) |
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| inconspicuous |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
So funny, I almost forgot to vote for the most sensible and safe leader who will deliver this country into economic and military greatness once more while upholding those "core American values" that make this country such a wonderful place to live. :gsmile: |
assumption h4x. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by RJT
...a kid was handled roughly at an event where he quite literally had no rights what-so-ever. |
Taken "quite literally," that is false.
Sure, they had every right to eject him, but with multiple officers escorting him, and with his providing no more resistance than simply trying to pull himself away, there was no need to shock him. None. Either the officers were too stupid to realize this or they tasered him for their own gratification. Neither reflects well on them. |
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| inconspicuous |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Taken "quite literally," that is false.
Sure, they had every right to eject him, but with multiple officers escorting him, and with his providing no more resistance than simply trying to pull himself away, there was no need to shock him. None. Either the officers were too stupid to realize this or they tasered him for their own gratification. Neither reflects well on them. |
Where's your indisputable evidence? You need that much just to overturn a call on a fumble. Surely a tasing requires at least as much. |
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| RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Taken "quite literally," that is false.
Sure, they had every right to eject him, but with multiple officers escorting him, and with his providing no more resistance than simply trying to pull himself away, there was no need to shock him. None. Either the officers were too stupid to realize this or they tasered him for their own gratification. Neither reflects well on them. |
Regardless of whether or not the force used was excessive, the kid legitimately had no "right" to do anything at all at the event. It was entirely at the discretion of the private security hired for the event.
Regardless of whether or not I think that's an adequate excuse, it protects them under the law. This kid has little to no grounds for any kind of legal action save for a civil suit against the specific officers, which really just screams "give me money" rather than "there's a problem with our system."
You all seem to be taking the tact that I'm defending the officers, and barring a few flippant remarks you all should be used to, I have in no way indicated my support for their actions beyond the fact that I think the kid deserved everything he got. Does that automatically imply that I approve of the actions taken by security? Absolutely not, but that discussion is entirely irrelevant at this point. |
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| RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Flec
and further, if u beleive that politics, specifically in the form of democracy shuold be considered a private sphere then you are seriously ed in the head |
I'm consistently amazed at peoples ability to infer absolutely ludicrous positions from comments that have little or nothing to do with the issue at hand.
No intelligent person has ever said any of that. |
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| Cipha Sounds |
| He got excactly what he deserved, his intentions to stir up was clear. Hey Kerry "is it true that you and Bush were part of the Skull & Bones society?", who the asks that kinda queston. The kid probably grew up with parents that probably just sent him up to his room when he wasn't behaving like a Full House episode. He was resisting arrest and crying like a bitch when they had him on the floor. Ouch Ouch Help Help , don't taser me bro. Hey everyone , pay attention to me, look at me, I hope I make front page. |
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