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dear america AKA mellymel is not at all racist (pg. 44)
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| elFreak |
the way it is run as a whole could be considered as a reason why the standards are quite low;)
impeccable? compare test scores to the rest of the world. |
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| Ted Promo |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Are cheap-o frozen dinners from Wal-Mart on an equal nutritional level with gourmet meals from upscale markets?
In a "free market," the poor kids will get cheap-o frozen dinner schooling and the wealthier kids will get the gourmet stuff. Yeah, everybody might get some kind of education, but just like with food, some will be crap and other stuff will be valuable. So basically you would be reinstating the current system, except for the fact that the really poor people could no longer afford school at all. |
There would be government oversight of course. Just like there's the FDA to make sure supermarkets are keeping food in order. But for the most part government would be hands off. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ted Promo
The way it's run as a whole. The standards need to be raised. Our college system and secondary education is still impeccable. |
Secondary school = high school. :p |
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| Ted Promo |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Secondary school = high school. :p |
Shut up, I went to a school in the United States :p |
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| elFreak |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ted Promo
There would be government oversight of course. Just like there's the FDA to make sure supermarkets are keeping food in order. But for the most part government would be hands off. |
that would cost tax money. |
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| gehzumteufel |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ted Promo
Nope, if there's enough competition in any market there will be affordability. |
That is bull. A company will charge what people are willing to pay. Stanford, GA Tech, USC, CalTech, FSU, etc, all cost 35-40k for out of state/private tuition. How is that competitive?
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
The current system of funding education through property taxes is ludicrous. It makes no sense at all that kids living in poverty who already grow up in an information-poor environment with an uneducated single mother should get less funding for their schools than kids who grow up with two PhD parents who teach them basic reading and math before they even enter pre-school. Whatever choices their parents made, none of those kids did anything to deserve the advantages and disadvantages that they have, but our current system treats it like they do. |
No child left behind doesn't help this either. |
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| Ted Promo |
| quote: | Originally posted by elFreak
that would cost tax money. |
Indeed. Note why I said "adhere as closely as possible" to my ideal goal. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ted Promo
There would be government oversight of course. Just like there's the FDA to make sure supermarkets are keeping food in order. But for the most part government would be hands off. |
This would be no different from the current system. The people who benefit from the "competitive market" are mostly the wealthy, who can actually afford all the options that are available. The poor people get to choose between -- Wal-Mart and Target. Same with education. Poor kids would get either Wal-Mart or Target education.
Yay for school choice! :p |
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| Ted Promo |
| quote: | Originally posted by gehzumteufel
That is bull. A company will charge what people are willing to pay. Stanford, GA Tech, USC, CalTech, FSU, etc, all cost 35-40k for out of state/private tuition. How is that competitive?
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College =/= basic education. I'd want government oversight of schooling standards in the basic education arena. College is another animal. |
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| Ted Promo |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
This would be no different from the current system. The people who benefit from the "competitive market" are mostly the wealthy, who can actually afford all the options that are available. The poor people get to choose between -- Wal-Mart and Target. Same with education. Poor kids would get either Wal-Mart or Target education.
Yay for school choice! :p |
Fawk yeah. \o/
I'm just deep in a rut with my mentality I suppose, but whatever -_- |
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| gehzumteufel |
| quote: | Originally posted by gehzumteufel
So you just want the elite to be educated? |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ted Promo
Nope, if there's enough competition in any market there will be affordability. |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ted Promo
College =/= basic education. I'd want government oversight of schooling standards in the basic education arena. College is another animal. |
Being "educated" does not refer to primary and secondary school. You just dug yourself a hole. You said you want just the elite educated. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| The only way the free market system could lessen inequality while retaining good standards is if each family were given a certain number of "education credits" per child. The schools compete with one another for enrollment of the kids, and the "education credits" represent cash that will be paid to them by the government, basically private competition + public funding, with each kid having the same amount of "funds" available and the parents judging for themselves which schools are best. |
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