Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
God-damned Mexicans and their flashy cell-phones...
LOL
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Originally posted by MeLLyMeL
yeah but then the font looks smaller.
I would have to zoom out 2 x.. honestly, not even worth it.
Geez, you can't have your cake and eat it too!!!!!! :p
MeLLyMeL
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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
God-damned Mexicans and their flashy cell-phones...
don't under estimate how much working in the corn fields gets u.
It can supply a family of 5 and also support their 15 year old xdaughters baby
Halcyon+On+On
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Originally posted by MeLLyMeL
don't under estimate how much working in the corn fields gets u.
It can supply a family of 5 and also support their 15 year old xdaughters baby
Yeah, picking peaches can afford you all a new ing cell-phone each month, but can you feed your family of 14? Not without government assistance.
AND I'M ING TIRED OF PAYING YOU PEOPLE'S GOD DAMNED WELFARE CHECKS.
MCCAIN '08.
elFreak
do you use your cell phone on the sabbath melly?
Lebezniatnikov
Here, Mel - another option:
noikeee
I've finally took the time to read the first 9 or 10 pages of this thread, to distract myself from the fact my club is having yet another really game in the Champions League. And... wow. :wtf: Think I've just lost my respect for someone...
As for Obama, I'm happy he's won, but certainly not thrilled neither buying the whole Obamagasm that many people worldwide seem to be having today.
The main positive is the relief that Bush is finally going away. And as much as I am willing to understand that McCain has some very different views from Bush, Obama is much more of a guarantee to me that he isn't going to start invading countries for unconvincing reasons, he certainly seems less of a militaristic kind than McCain and Bush.
This is far more important to me than the public relations effect of his skin color or his charisma or whatever stupid . I do reckon, however, that kind of thing can have a positive effect. But I'm afraid the big damage has been done (mostly through Iraq) and no matter what happens, a lot of angry people will still try to target the US and their allies (and us here are one of them!) for a long time. It is just a relief knowing that similar mistakes that could things up further, now seem more unlikely.
The other big area he will lead that concerns us, foreigners, is the economy, where it seems the US will need to be very well managed to avoid an even harsher worldwide crysis. On this I'm somewhat concerned - Obama's tax plan seems a bad sign to me. I'm of the belief that the better the wealthy are off, the better the whole economy feels as a consequence. Then again, these things are all about balance - if the middle class struggles, all sorts of economical problems can come up as well. And the US are already the most capitalistic nation in the world - perhaps a very small injection of socialism in there wouldn't be too bad. The conclusion is: I'm concerned, but since, tbh, I'm quite clueless about economy, I'm willing to give Obama the benefit of the doubt.
A subtler (well, to be fair it's often overstated here) but positive effect about Obama's election is that it is a triumph for intellectualism and tolerance, rather than the nearly fundamentalist mix of politics and religion the republicans seem to have adopted in recent years. In times of crisis like nowadays, sometimes the people become desperate and as a knee-jerk reaction, resort to voting for extremist leaders. The most famous example of this, of course, is 1930's Germany. I think the dangers that can come out of such a situation are clear to everyone.
Obama's election actually has an element of knee-jerk reaction, but it's comforting that the US have gone for a politician of the centre as a knee-jerk reaction rather than going into extremism. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to compare Bush and certainly not McCain to Hitlers here, that would be ridiculous. It's just that I see traits that have made me more and more apprehensive with the Republican party over time. The perspective of seeing Sarah Palin as a possible president in case something went very wrong with McCain's health is scary - the fact she's a creationist should be enough to make my point. Her political personality as sold to the public by the republican party itself, represents some kind of celebration of ignorance as a good trait - certainly not a good sign at all.
I'm just glad the US have stopped going down that road. For now.
elFreak
do you think anyone is going to read all that?
noikeee
No, it really got way too long.
elFreak
noikeee
, 2-1, GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLL. Thank you Lisandro and Lucho.
This game isn't so bad after all. :D
diggerz
i read it. i agree, the economy is the biggest concern atm.
Lebezniatnikov
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Originally posted by noikeee
I've finally took the time to read the first 9 or 10 pages of this thread, to distract myself from the fact my club is having yet another really game in the Champions League. And... wow. :wtf: Think I've just lost my respect for someone...
As for Obama, I'm happy he's won, but certainly not thrilled neither buying the whole Obamagasm that many people worldwide seem to be having today.
The main positive is the relief that Bush is finally going away. And as much as I am willing to understand that McCain has some very different views from Bush, Obama is much more of a guarantee to me that he isn't going to start invading countries for unconvincing reasons, he certainly seems less of a militaristic kind than McCain and Bush.
This is far more important to me than the public relations effect of his skin color or his charisma or whatever stupid . I do reckon, however, that kind of thing can have a positive effect. But I'm afraid the big damage has been done (mostly through Iraq) and no matter what happens, a lot of angry people will still try to target the US and their allies (and us here are one of them!) for a long time. It is just a relief knowing that similar mistakes that could things up further, now seem more unlikely.
The other big area he will lead that concerns us, foreigners, is the economy, where it seems the US will need to be very well managed to avoid an even harsher worldwide crysis. On this I'm somewhat concerned - Obama's tax plan seems a bad sign to me. I'm of the belief that the better the wealthy are off, the better the whole economy feels as a consequence. Then again, these things are all about balance - if the middle class struggles, all sorts of economical problems can come up as well. And the US are already the most capitalistic nation in the world - perhaps a very small injection of socialism in there wouldn't be too bad. The conclusion is: I'm concerned, but since, tbh, I'm quite clueless about economy, I'm willing to give Obama the benefit of the doubt.
A subtler (well, to be fair it's often overstated here) but positive effect about Obama's election is that it is a triumph for intellectualism and tolerance, rather than the nearly fundamentalist mix of politics and religion the republicans seem to have adopted in recent years. In times of crisis like nowadays, sometimes the people become desperate and as a knee-jerk reaction, resort to voting for extremist leaders. The most famous example of this, of course, is 1930's Germany. I think the dangers that can come out of such a situation are clear to everyone.
Obama's election actually has an element of knee-jerk reaction, but it's comforting that the US have gone for a politician of the centre as a knee-jerk reaction rather than going into extremism. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to compare Bush and certainly not McCain to Hitlers here, that would be ridiculous. It's just that I see traits that have made me more and more apprehensive with the Republican party over time. The perspective of seeing Sarah Palin as a possible president in case something went very wrong with McCain's health is scary - the fact she's a creationist should be enough to make my point. Her political personality as sold to the public by the republican party itself, represents some kind of celebration of ignorance as a good trait - certainly not a good sign at all.
I'm just glad the US have stopped going down that road. For now.
Two things on the economy:
1. Trickle-down economics doesn't work. That's why we're in the place we are, and also why Africa is still dirt poor while it's rich fly around in Learjets.
2. You're acting like Obama is going to punish the rich - he's just going back to pre-2002 tax levels. This is hardly revolutionary stuff. When Bush passed his tax cuts, he promised to allow them to sunset - this is why they passed in the first place since it was widely hailed as terrible fiscal policy (hellllooooo deficits). The Republicans are holding that sunset hostage in the name of cheap political trickery, and the whole world seems to have fallen for it.
