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Liberals to form Coalition with NDP (pg. 13)
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
RALLY FOR CANADA
Saturday December 6, 2008: 12 PM - 2 PM
Last weekend, we learned that the NDP under Jack Layton has been in talks with the separatists Bloc Quebecois for quite some time to form a plan to seize power and to overthrow the government. This would overturn the results of the las telection held just six weeks ago without seeking consent from we the Canadian voters.
The Block Quebecois is dictating the terms of the next government and has declared that Stephane Dion will be the next Prime Minister of Canada. This unelected government could only be sustained with the support of the separatist Bloc Quebecois itself.
This would mean that the government of Canada would be at the mercy of people committed to destroying our confederation.
We ask that on Saturday, December 6, democracy-loving Canadians from coast-to-coast gather to support democracy, not political games in this time of crisis.
Toronto event will be held at Queens Park South on Saturday December 6, from 12 PM to 2 PM.
http://rallyforcanada.ca/ |
I will be there. Im actually going to try to get up to parliament hill. Enough is Enough! |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
no, the answer is not clear.
we have a constitution and to reference those of other countries is idiotic. so you can pick and choose what parts of the constitution ought to be respected? give me a break...
isn't it you who *freaks out* when the courts "create law", for example? if you're so adament in other instances that THE LAW is followed, then you MUST respect the legitimacy of the opposition being permitted the option to form the gov't.
you can't have it both ways, just because something doesn't live up you to YOUR moral or ethical standard in this instance.
if you feel the constitution ought to be amended to prevent this situation from happening in the future, that's your opinon and Canada has a process by which to do so. The GG's responsibility is to determine if there is a likelihood that the coalition can form a stable gov't. Given that we JUST had an election and the gov't has already lost the confidence of the house...well...the pressure will be to allow a coaltion, like it or not (and I don't like it myself). |
I am not asking for a court decision, i am asking for a decision from the GG based on our constitution. And I am asking for her to make a decision based on the will of the people. Far different from judges that change the law at a whim. As i have always stated, the constitution needs to be torn up and redrafted. But right now its what we have to work with so instead of abusing it, lets hope the GG does the right thing by suspending parliament and subsequently calling an election in Jan. Im not asking for the GG to change laws as judges typically do. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
I agree with those saying this coalition is hurting the Liberals (for a number of reasons). Dion was stepping down, amid widespread dissatisfaction with his leadership and performance in the elections, but now will be PM. Many Liberal supporters, and I include myself here, don't think the coalition is good for the country, despite wanting Harper out.
what one person mentioned on CBC this morning was how this will severely hurt the CPC too, specifically with ever getting a majority gov't, as Quebec is being further alienated.
The constant 'being in bed with the separatists' is a slap in the face to Quebecers. Regardless of what you think of the Bloc and it's raison d'etre, the FACT remains that the Bloc MPs were elected by the people. To dismiss the Bloc is to dismiss the voters of Quebec. |
People need to stop equating anti separatism with anti quebec. I have nothing against Quebec but i despise separatists. |
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| Yohan |
I dont know what was the point of Harper's speech. He didn't say anything that wasn't already said.
But Dion is actually doing well with this speech. I guess he got a new speech writer. Was rather impressed.
Cant wait to hear Layton and what rubbish he will spew.
Essentially, if this coalition does form a govt, it is a socialist one.
I'm not sure such a govt is best to combat the economy crisis. Actually, Canada hasnt shown any major signs of economic crisis, compared to the rest of the world... |
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| Anas Attia |
| I found Harper's speech to be very thin and lacking. He should have tried harder, especially looking at the situation hes in. |
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| PurpleHaze |
| down with harps :clown: |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| Harper did nothing to improve his position. You would think he would have more to say then we are working on a plan and Separatists are bad and therefore anyone who works with them are bad. |
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| Sentinal |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
I will be there. Im actually going to try to get up to parliament hill. Enough is Enough! |
I too will be in attendance. This is epic for our generation and we must support democracy and support the foundations this country was built on!!! |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sentinal
I too will be in attendance. This is epic for our generation and we must support democracy and support the foundations this country was built on!!! |
ahhh....by going you are not supporting democracy or the foundation this country was built on. This is our democratic process and this is the foundation our country was built on......we are not the USA |
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| Sentinal |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
ahhh....by going you are not supporting democracy or the foundation this country was built on. This is our democratic process and this is the foundation our country was built on......we are not the USA |
Did we not vote for Harper not more than 8 weeks ago. By having this reversed does this not undermine that very vote?
Our constitution was built on the premis of giving the power of politics to the people voted by the Canadian people. Last time I check that was the defacto Stephan Dion. |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sentinal
Did we not vote for Harper not more than 8 weeks ago. By having this reversed does this not undermine that very vote?
Our constitution was built on the premis of giving the power of politics to the people voted by the Canadian people. Last time I check that was the defacto Stephan Dion. |
Not really. Canada is a constitutional monarchy. The PM governs with the consent with the Queen. (Or in this case, the GG)
Our system has this... thing built in, so that the GG can break any political deadlock.
I dont agree with its use most of the time, but I can see why it has its own advantages. (And why I prefer our system over that of Yanks) |
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| Sentinal |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
Not really. Canada is a constitutional monarchy. The PM governs with the consent with the Queen. (Or in this case, the GG)
Our system has this... thing built in, so that the GG can break any political deadlock.
I dont agree with its use most of the time, but I can see why it has its own advantages. (And why I prefer our system over that of Yanks) |
I'm very aware of our political system ( I majored in it in Uni) and I understand that the GG is the Queens representative in Canada, but this goes far beyond her obligation to choose what is the best course of action for this country.
This political deadlock was an action devised by the minority BEFORE the election was even finished as a way to overthrow the minority government in the case the Liberals lost the election.
A staggering percent of Canadians do NOT want Stephen Dion to represent us as the leader of the nation. The best possible solution is a DEMOCRATIC election which give the voice to the people. With that being said I think that the ramifications due to this political hickup will be long felt. There may very well be a strong voice in this country for electoral reform and maybe even as strong as a constitutional reform.
As much as I have strong feeling toward certain political parties this is a sentiment that is going to be shared by Canadians regardless of their political affiliations.
Oh and just for the record the vote of non-confidence is designed to be used in situations where the governing party has acted out of the interest of the PEOPLE of Canada.......not political gain of 65% of the House of Commons.
I have said my my peace now I will sit back and let you guys tell me I'm completely of my rocker. :) |
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