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Liberals to form Coalition with NDP (pg. 19)
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by VDub
They're going to have perogies???
I like perogies... |
46% is practically a sure thing when it comes to a majority. I think this will prove to be a bigger mistake for the liberals than even the adscam corruption was. |
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| musicsnob_NOT |
| quote: | Originally posted by musicsnob_NOT
I always thought I knew a lot of Canadian politics but I just don't understand. They say Harper is going to ask the GG to make perogies for the parliment and that will delay dealing with the crisis. I know perogies can be tasty but solving our political problems...someone please explain this to me.
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| quote: | Originally posted by VDub
They're going to have perogies???
I like perogies... |
Yes...didn't you read my previous post.
The term is prorogue...but given what was happening something a little levity is called for. |
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| musicsnob_NOT |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
46% of the vote != majority (necessarily)
it might be likely, but would depend on how that was distributed across the ridings.
agreed on your points, except #3 and #6 (possible, but I wouldn't put money on them, either way). |
What Ipsos said was they did lose support in Quebec but finishing 3rd instead of second and a lower popular vote there doesn't mean they lose any significant seats. The increase in the rest could have led to a huge majority. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
No, we voted for 308 members of parliament, they allowed Harper to form a government. Now the majority of them would like to form another government. UNDERSTAND THIS PEOPLE; YOU DO NOT VOTE FOR THE PRIME MINISTER, YOU VOTE FOR AN MP, MPs CHOOSE THE GOVERNMENT. |
Late to the party here, but I see that nobody has pointed this out yet:
We voted for our MPs, but we voted for them based on their party's respective platforms, not because they were such nice guys. Forget about the PM specifically - Liberal voters did not vote for Liberal reps on the basis that they would be consulting with the Bloc on matters of national policy, and NDP voters did not vote for NDP reps on the basis of taking orders from the Liberals.
If this had happened 2 years into Harper's term, this might be defensible. Less than 2 months after an election, it's not. If there had even been whisperings over such a coalition before election day, it's very likely that Harper would have won a majority. Attempting to dismantle the minority government with this "coalition" so soon after the election means that these people totally misrepresented themselves and their policies - deliberately and maliciously, not in the traditional promises-you-failed-to-keep sense.
Obviously I voted Conservative as I'm sure everybody here could have guessed, but if I had voted for a Liberal, I'd be extremely pissed about them effectively handing half the government over to the separatists. This was not what the Liberal/NDP voters voted for.
Not to mention that they wanted to install this coalition until 2011, even though it's been a Canadian custom since the very first parliament for appointed prime ministers to hold a general election within 6 months of appointment. A 30-month appointment looks very little like a legitimate no-confidence vote and a lot like a transparent power grab. In corp-speak, it's generally called a hostile takeover.
If I recall correctly, the Progressives tried to do this nearly a century ago with Mackenzie King's government. That "coalition" lasted about a week, after which King won a majority government anyway. Coalitions are a complete waste of time and taxpayer money; if this scheme had succeeded it would have been very messy and could have seriously hurt Canada's economy when it was doing fine, relatively speaking. What they did may have been technically legal, but it makes me seriously question the efficacy of a more-than-two-party system.
Dion should be ashamed. He was supposed to gracefully step down; instead he's tarnished the Liberals' image even more. Way to go, jerk. When we said we were looking forward to a more competitive Liberal party, this was NOT what we meant. |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Dion should be ashamed. He was supposed to gracefully step down; instead he's tarnished the Liberals' image even more. Way to go, jerk. When we said we were looking forward to a more competitive Liberal party, this was NOT what we meant. |
You really cant blame the guy. He saw a chance to become the PM, and he tried to make it happen. |
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| daves |
Yeah Dion's impotent and was looking for a last chance to be relevant in some way. Hopefully he goes out the door even sooner now!
But for those towing the conservative line about how trying to suggest "taking power without being voted in" is AN ATTACK ON DEMOCRACY!! and all of this nonsense about SEPARATISTS!! SOCIALISTS!!
Shame on Dion for signing an agreement with the NDP and Bloc right?
(of course, the trick is that below... there's no actual mention of taking the reins of power along with other parties... just... a little bit of advice on the fact that the GG has "other options")
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September 9, 2004
Her Excellency the Right Honourable Adrienne Clarkson,
C.C., C.M.M., C.O.M., C.D.
Governor General
Rideau Hall
1 Sussex Drive
Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0A1
Excellency,
As leaders of the opposition parties, we are well aware that, given the Liberal minority government, you could be asked by the Prime Minister to dissolve the 38th Parliament at any time should the House of Commons fail to support some part of the government's program.
We respectfully point out that the opposition parties, who together constitute a majority in the House, have been in close consultation. We believe that, should a request for dissolution arise this should give you cause, as constitutional practice has determined, to consult the opposition leaders and consider all of your options before exercising your constitutional authority.
Your attention to this matter is appreciated.
Sincerely,
Hon. Stephen Harper, P.C., M.P.
Leader of the Opposition
Leader of the Conservative Party of Canada
Gilles Duceppe, M.P.
Leader of the Bloc Quebecois
Jack Layton, M.P.
Leader of the New Democratic Party
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| Jayx1 |
| If this had gone through i would have been equally as pissed off. Obviously this never went very far which is why most people are only hearing about it now. |
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| Skipper |
Cdn dollar took a major nosedive yesterday after the news. Today doesn't look any better.
What a circus! |
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| malek |
calgary will look like a ghost town in a few months... with the barrel going as low as 20$..........
Ontario lost 66000 jobs in November. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| don't worry....our economy is doing great...remember we have a positive GDP |
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| exstasie |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
calgary will look like a ghost town in a few months... with the barrel going as low as 20$..........
Ontario lost 66000 jobs in November. |
I had this discussion last night too with my friend from Calgary who's here in Toronto going to Univesity (@ York lol) and was asking him if he was going to go back there and we're talking about how its probably dead right now.
Calgary has always been a sad place to live when oil is low and it does quiet down quite a bit when oil is down.
However, this is just temporary like usual. Future contracts are looking quite low in Q1 of 2009, but i wouldn't be surprised if it was back up to around $75 later in the year around Q3.
We'll just have to wait and see what OPEC does.
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| malek |
| OPEC has no control on oil when its over 30-35$. |
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