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Liberals to form Coalition with NDP (pg. 3)
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by 7-4-7
And he will never again see another political victory in his reign as Prime Mannequin of this country, |
lulz
Conservative support has never been this strong all over the country since Mulroney's reelection. |
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| Yohan |
Regarding Cons taping NDP session
| quote: | A spokesman for the Prime Minister's Office said there was nothing unethical about covertly listening in to the private NDP deliberations, taping those discussions and releasing them to the media.
An unidentified Tory was “invited” to participate in the call, said PMO spokesman Dimitri Soudas.
“Maybe the invitation was meant for the Bloc, and they accidentally invited us. We were invited. When you get invited somewhere you have the opportunity to choose to participate or not participate.” |
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| rabbitjoker |
This situation is atrocious.
Socialists and sepratists joining together to undo the will of the Canadian electorate?
I hope the Liberals, socialists and Bloc pay dearly for this when the Conservatives gain a majority. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
This situation is atrocious.
Socialists and sepratists joining together to undo the will of the Canadian electorate?
I hope the Liberals, socialists and Bloc pay dearly for this when the Conservatives gain a majority. |
this is typical for a minority government...how quickly people forget that CPC tried to do the same thing. |
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| musicsnob_NOT |
I haven't been this pissed off about Canadian politics ever. I am so sick and tired of everyone playing politics instead of doind what they are suppose to be doing...govern.
Yes the Liberals, NDP, and Bloc have every right to for a coaliltion. However, there are a lot of things with this coalition that is just completly wrong. I don't even want to get into the fact they have made a deal with a seperatist party which is just completely unacceptable. While I am a conservative I would never have supported a coalition government between the CPC's and the Bloc. It is a compete non starter.
The are two major things that bother me the most about this deal.
1. Layton and Dion acting as if they are doing it for other reasons other than their own gain. Layton was just waiting for an opportunity to try this and the issue didn't matter. Anyone can argue that more people voted against Harper than voted for him. The truth is even more people voted against Dion and Layton than voted against Harper. In fact if you look at the popular vote you will see that in most cases the Prime Minister rarely gets 50% of the popular vote. So you can always make the argument that more people voted against the PM than voted for Him.
2. This coalition deal forces the Canadian people to accept a PM (Dion) who the electorate made abundantly clear they did not want leading the country. It will also force the new Liberal leader onto the Canadian people for at least a year. Everyone assumes it will be Ignatiaff or Rae but no one really knows (look at how Dion became leader). Even if it is Rae or Ignatiaff there should be an election called soon after so the Canadian people can voice their opinion.
What I don't understand is why Rae and Ignatiaff (or whoever the next leader is) would want to be tied to Layton for at least a year? Could it be that neither of the parties can afford to go through another election for a couple years? Could it be that they are looking out for their own survival and political gain and not doing what is the best for the Canadian people?
What Harper did was stupid and he should pay for it. In fact he has by backing down and changing his policies. He will also end up paying for it hopefully with an end of his leadership. Get mad at Harper for being politically oportunistic. Get mad at him for trying to kick the other parties when they are down. However, don't even try to come off as being any better than Harper and the Conservatives. If Harper had ever formed a coalition with the NDP or the Bloc people would have been calling for his head. They wouldn't be calling it a great political move. Lets get beyond the party politics and realize that forming a coalition with a party who wants to see the end of Canada is just wrong.
I wonder if the liberals and NDP have realized that while it is totally legal for them to form a coalition government. It is also totally legal for the Governer General to say no to them and to disolve parliment and call another election. That would be amazing... |
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| musicsnob_NOT |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
this is typical for a minority government...how quickly people forget that CPC tried to do the same thing. |
As a conservative I would never have supported that. The same people now saying this is a great political move would have been calling for Harpers head and making the same if not worse comparisons of a coup. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by musicsnob_NOT
As a conservative I would never have supported that. The same people now saying this is a great political move would have been calling for Harpers head and making the same if not worse comparisons of a coup. |
I'm not saying its right or wrong...personally, I don't agree with forming a Coalition Party....I think they need to all sit down and work together for the greater good....CANADA.
As citizens we can blame ourselves for this. We had the lowest voter turnout ever in the last election and we are now in our third minority government. We need to determine how we want this country to be ran....and to date we haven't been able to make a clear choice. I don't think the opposition parties will gain support for what they have done.....this may actually help harper and CPC to get a majority....although the CPC will never get my vote with Harper at the strings....if they brought someone in who I felt was trustworthy then I would consider voting CPC. |
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| Skipper |
| quote: | Originally posted by musicsnob_NOT
I wonder if the liberals and NDP have realized that while it is totally legal for them to form a coalition government. It is also totally legal for the Governer General to say no to them and to disolve parliment and call another election. That would be amazing... |
I think it's a very real possibility - which would probably result in an election that would yield the exact same outcome as the election we had 8 weeks ago. AND THE ELECTION BEFORE THAT. And if another election gets called and we spend another $350million to get basically the same government that we've had for 2 years now, Dion and Layton should be handing in their resignations for instigating this whole mess. because hey, isn't that money we could have pumped into our pathetic economy? :rolleyes: |
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| musicsnob_NOT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
I think it's a very real possibility - which would probably result in an election that would yield the exact same outcome as the election we had 8 weeks ago. AND THE ELECTION BEFORE THAT. And if another election gets called and we spend another $350million to get basically the same government that we've had for 2 years now, Dion and Layton should be handing in their resignations for instigating this whole mess. because hey, isn't that money we could have pumped into our pathetic economy? :rolleyes: |
$350 million would be totally worth it if we ended up with some real choices in our leaders. Another quick election with no different results would mean at least 2 if not 3 new leaders. That was the problem we had in the last elections...no true leaders.
Soon to be the most important person in our country...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micha%C3%ABlle_Jean |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
This situation is atrocious.
Socialists and sepratists joining together to undo the will of the Canadian electorate?
I hope the Liberals, socialists and Bloc pay dearly for this when the Conservatives gain a majority. |
ouch. such arrogance and desire for retribution. Isn't that what landed us in this situation to begin with? ') |
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| malek |
the damned separatists and socialists, no communists, helped the CPC stay in power more than once...
he forgot that :p |
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| musicsnob_NOT |
Rex Murphy on The National Tonight.
All Politics, No Government
Rex Murphy Point of View
December 1, 2008
Political scientists will stagger gibbering witless to their graves trying to figure out why the Prime Minister decided to kick off a brand new session of a civil parliament, in the middle of a world economic crisis, by the most lethal partisan jab at the opposition in the history of Confederation.
It's either or. He's either dumb or arrogant. Those are the only options to explain why he pitched a live grenade into the underwear of the opposition parties last Thursday, within, as it were, five seconds of the new Session starting. Either too dumb to know the furies he was releasing, or too arrogant to care.
Either way, now we have an entirely artificial partisan showdown in Ottawa, and make no mistake, this is partisan warfare at its most intense, and nothing other, because Mr. Harper saw a series of belts, and decided he just had to deliver a vicious kick beneath all three of them.
We're in a crisis now, and it started with Mr. Harper, feeding his apparently insatiable appetite continuously to do in the Opposition, and abusing last Thursday's financial statement to kill the financing of his rivals.
That got their attention; and it's worth holding in mind, that without the effort to lop off their funding - not some other higher-minded issue - we wouldn't be where we are today. Don't accept the alibi that this crisis is about the financial statement itself. It was triggered by the threat to political funding.
But that's just the beginning of the most absurd and embarrassing train of political maneuvers to take place in a self-respecting country that I can recall.
For on the other side we have the almost unimaginable farce of a so-called Coalition, complete with its own signing ceremony, being concocted under the weirdest set of conditions in modern politics.
The latest bulletin has Stephane Dion installed as Prime Minister, a man who, after the 77 seats Mr. Dion brought home in the election, the Liberals couldn't wait to boot out of the leadership. They were speculating on it election night. Now, he is good enough to be Prime Minister.
Let's get a look at this. A party looking for a leader itself, wants to install the leader they're ejecting, as the country's leader.
But this farce is very much an improvisation in progress. There's been a round of consulting with Jean Chretien and other impresarios of our national destiny. Every crisis gets the think tank it deserves.
So we're to have a Coalition - not a political party be it noted - as our federal government. Enabled - key word - by - shield your children - the only dedicated separatist party in the House of Commons. Canada's federal government will owe its existence to the one party that doesn't want Canada to exist. When that happens, we've entered the terminal stages of national decline.
A federal government enabled by a separatist party is a contradiction in terms, in logic, and in national honour.
What this manufactured crisis demonstrates is that Canadian politics is not Canadian politics. It's partisan politics. Remember about 8 days ago, this was going to be the civil House of Commons. Yeah; and roses are blooming even as I speak in on the green lawns of Bonavista.
To call all this undignified is to give it too much dignity. What's going on in Ottawa today is pure madness, a scramble for advantage on all sides.
All politics. No government.
For The National, I'm Rex Murphy. |
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