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Liberals to form Coalition with NDP (pg. 6)
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| quote: | Originally posted by djeso
pfftt... working as it is supposed to ... so much for democracy |
If the Coalition Group does take power then the majority is leading....not the minority....which the CPC is. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by djeso
pfftt... working as it is supposed to ... so much for democracy |
Dude, we have an indirect democracy... people elect other people to represent their interests, those representatives are then vested with the authority to make decisions as they deem to be in their constituents best interest. If you want your MP to do something then tell them, if they do things you don't want then vote against them at the next election. In a country this size with this size a population a representative democracy is the only model of democracy that will work, and it is working.
BTW, if you're concerned with democracy then you should be outraged by the attempt of the government to weaken the opposition parties; since a parliamentary democracy only works if there is a viable opposition to the government. Face it, you don't care about democracy... you care about the horse you backed winning. |
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| daves |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
No, all you can say is that more candidates associated with the conservative party were elected to represent their ridings then were of any other party. The government of Canada is not elected by the people of Canada. This is a Westminster Parliament, which means the people of a given area elect a person to represent their interests in Ottawa, those representatives then choose who will govern. We don't vote for leaders here; we vote for representatives, at present it appears the majority of our representatives want to form a new government... that is their perfect right... if Canadians disagree then we should elect different representatives next time; however, at present the system is working exactly as it is supposed to. |
thanks, more Canadians need to understand this... the differences between the Canadian and American political systems. |
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| StereoPrincess |
| The Governor General is such a nice person. She reminds me of my mom. I hope she can set this straight. |
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| djeso |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
you care about the horse you backed winning. |
What do you know about me or whom I support to make such a statement, typical stereotypical assumption :). I'm pretty sure if your horse was in the place harper is, you wouldn't be talking the same lol |
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| exstasie |
| quote: | Originally posted by StereoPrincess
The Governor General is such a nice person. She reminds me of my mom. I hope she can set this straight. |
+1 Such a nice lady and someone you can definitely respect!
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by djeso
What do you know about me or whom I support to make such a statement, typical stereotypical assumption :). I'm pretty sure if your horse was in the place harper is, you wouldn't be talking the same lol |
Now who's making assumptions? My track record on these political threads is pretty even and non-partisan; moreover, my post was in response to how people are incorrectly questioning the effectiveness of our system, not on whether or not I support the present developments. |
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| Spam |
I definitely don't think that any coalition with seperatist support is a good thing. The general, non-partisan voting public are going to be PISSED if this actually occurs (the majority of feedback I've been reading and hearing from the general public is NEGATIVE towards the coalition). I would expect that, if an election were held instead of this crazy coup, that the CPC would come out of it with a commanding majority. But hey, what do I know?
I know that the Bloc should not have ANY hand in this coalition government, yet it would. I'm generally fairly conservative but have voted Liberal a few times in the past, so I'm not totally against the party. But I AM against the Bloc holding any significant power in our house of commons (ignoring the fact that I'd probably vote for them if they ran candidates outside of Quebec, I have a dirty man-crush on Duceppe).
I'd say that Harper needs to sit down with the other parties and work out a solution, but they're just as partisan and arrogant as HE is. The Liberals believe they've been given divine right to govern, and the NDP are STARVING for any form of power.
Whether the CPC gets out of this or not, Harper should resign at the end of it. He's disappointed too many times in his 3 years or so in power, and if there's one thing you can be guaranteed to get from Harper, it's some foolish decision that turns a good thing (for him and the CPC) rotten-bad very quickly. If he's not being overly honest and pissing off Quebecers at a time he should be keeping his trap shut and cruising to a majority, it's backing the opposition parties into a corner by cutting their funding (BTW, this wouldn't be an issue if the Liberals didn't rely so heavily on corporate funding before Chretien cut it off, maybe if the general public ACTUALLY supported them... hm...). Too bad he was blinded by arrogance and didn't realize that when you corner an animal, it'll get vicious. It would have been a genius move if he had had that majority though. That leaves us all wondering... who the hell could replace him? (Charest? Eh??????)
As much as many call it a waste of time and money, I'd prefer another election over a coup. The common argument is "62% of the country voted 'against' Harper"... fair enough, and 75% voted against Dion, and 80+% against Layton, etc... Remember, Dion clearly rejected the idea of a coalition when Layton brought it up during the election. How might the results have differed if those who voted Liberal had known this would happen? It's possible that the CPC would have been given a majority if that were the case. Polls were saying that the second-choice vote of NDP voters was conservative, not Liberal, so would they have changed their vote to Conservative? Many Liberal voters are small-l Liberals and would never support the NDP, would they have voted Liberal if they knew the NDP would get a hand on power? Or would many conservative voters LIKE the idea of a coalition leftist-government over a minority CPC outcome and switch to vote NDP/Liberal? And imagine if they had declared that they would turn to the seperatist Bloc party to make that coalition work!!! At least Layton was up-front about his openness to the possibility of working with the Liberals, Dion strongly rejected the idea, and it may have cost him support in the election had he declared that it was an option for him.
This whole situation is a mess. |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by djeso
Man you should take the position of the PM .... :clown: seriously |
bahaha...I can think of at least few others here who just threw up a little in their mouth at the thought of *me* being PM :D
I wouldn't take that job in a million years, even if I were somehow remotely qualified for it. What a thankless role that probably sucks whatever ideological enthusiasm one had going in and replaces it with cynicism and frustration at the barriers to being able to really enact the change one thought possible and beneficial.
(well, maybe with a majority gov't and surrounded by brilliant thinkers it wouldn't be so bad :D )
| quote: | Originally posted by English Rachel
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I'm glad your optimistic. It's refreshing and it offsets my pessimism. I wish the members of every party felt the same way as you. ;)
The games going on now are becoming more ridiculous. The CPC contemplating suspending Parliament to avoid the toppling vote that a smug Harper dared the Liberals to initiate only months before? Rallying against an "undemocratic" coalition that Harper once considered himself while in opposition?
If this was a TV show, I'd find it funny as hell.
Harper and the CPC will never back down or adopt a conciliatory tone...and the opposition leaders literally smell power and won't be swayed from toppling the gov't, barring some dramatic change of events.
another election or a coalition. soooo ridiculous, either way.
shame on all of the parties. |
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| English Rachel |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
If this was a TV show, I'd find it funny as hell.
another election or a coalition. soooo ridiculous, either way.
shame on all of the parties. |
Hear, hear.
And a huge waste of tax dollars in a struggling economy - great. |
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by English Rachel
And a huge waste of tax dollars in a struggling economy - great. |
Oh yeah. 0.3% GDP growth is sooooooooooo struggling. |
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| djeso |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
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another election or a coalition. soooo ridiculous, either way.
shame on all of the parties. |
Agreed :) Just out of the blue ... what changes in your opinion you would like to see made from either parties regardless of who's in power? |
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