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Would you ever have children? (pg. 27)
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| gehzumteufel |
| quote: | Originally posted by PivotTechno
Wow, a whole hundred years out of how many of human existence? You mean with the advent of the industrial era, when the human population started to explode, when waging wars and razing other countries' natural stores suddenly became really easy, when quantity went way up and quality went way down?
The world we currently reside in is not a particularly rational place, in case you hadn't noticed.
Irrational is spitting out a half-dozen children without the means to support or educate them, not deciding to not have any. |
The point I was making is that the excuse that the world today is tier than when you grew up, and so therefore is no place to raise a child is the biggest bull excuse ever. You aren't even for a second considering that the world in which you raise your child has no bearing on how you raise them. The values and ethics you instill in them. No, that isn't the responsibility of the parent, nor is it how a child learns these things.:rolleyes: |
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| Lira |
| I'd have Chinese children, I guess. I hear they're made of soy. |
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| Sushipunk |
| quote: | Originally posted by gehzumteufel
The point I was making is that the excuse that the world today is tier than when you grew up, and so therefore is no place to raise a child is the biggest bull excuse ever. You aren't even for a second considering that the world in which you raise your child has no bearing on how you raise them. The values and ethics you instill in them. No, that isn't the responsibility of the parent, nor is it how a child learns these things.:rolleyes: |
I'm sorry Ben, but that's bull, for the most part :p
Children, after a certain age (I would say teenage-hood), are more often than not 'raised' by their peers. Parents certainly still provide shelter, clothing, money, etc. in the raising of them, but kids look to others in their social groups to find out what is 'normal' and what they should be doing.
As a teenager, parents are lame, and out of touch. It doesn't matter if they're right, all that matters is that kids want to do their own thing, within their chosen social area.
I don't know much about your past, but I know enough that it seems you have broken away from a lot of what you were taught, growing up? I know that I did. |
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| Fledz |
| What you instil in your kids at an early age in terms of values often determines the kind of people they will ultimately choose to hang around with and hence be influenced by Stu. |
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| Lews |
NATURE VERSUS NURTURE MOTHER******S
*runs off screaming with his slychology book* |
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| Sushipunk |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
What you instil in your kids at an early age in terms of values often determines the kind of people they will ultimately choose to hang around with and hence be influenced by Stu. |
Lol. Ok, the joke aside...
You're right, but only up until a point in their lives.
It isn't always the case though. I've seen heaps of really, really good kids just go completely off the rails. And I think that the state of society, or what ever you want to call it, seriously contributes to that. |
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| Fledz |
Sure there are outliers but look at the general population. How many times have you and your friends wanted to do something but the values your parents and family instilled in you in the past prevented you from doing it? I was hazard to say many if you think about it carefully.
Sure, we've all done stupid things but that's part of growing up and it's radically different to let's say doing heroin with someone behind a dumpster while you have no job and no place to stay. |
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| lacksesepsotygh |
| i'm gonna be an uncle soon \o/ |
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| fughawzi |
Some personality traits are genetic, others are learned from family and society. Basically everything influences the way a child turns out.
I most likely won't have children because I don't want to pass along all the various illnesses that were passed down to me. Also, because of the chronic pain and autoimmune issues, I don't know if I could be consistently counted on to parent which isn't fair to a child. |
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| Sushipunk |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
Sure there are outliers but look at the general population. How many times have you and your friends wanted to do something but the values your parents and family instilled in you in the past prevented you from doing it? I was hazard to say many if you think about it carefully.
Sure, we've all done stupid things but that's part of growing up and it's radically different to let's say doing heroin with someone behind a dumpster while you have no job and no place to stay. |
I hear what you're saying, and maybe you're right. But it just seems like kids are growing up waaaay more ed up than they were when I was their age.
Perhaps it's just like Hal's quote, that I keep seeing in System-J's sig. Along the lines of "The world isn't getting worse, only more televised". |
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| Sushipunk |
| quote: | Originally posted by lacksesepsotygh
i'm gonna be an uncle soon \o/ |
You have to draw them a family portrait.
You HAVE to. |
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| gehzumteufel |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sushipunk
I hear what you're saying, and maybe you're right. But it just seems like kids are growing up waaaay more ed up than they were when I was their age.
Perhaps it's just like Hal's quote, that I keep seeing in System-J's sig. Along the lines of "The world isn't getting worse, only more televised". |
You ever stop to think that "parents" today, aren't really parenting their children? There are a ton of factors that are causing this, and most of it has to do with the fact that parents just sit their children in front of a tv/video games/computer/etc and expect them to learn the values and from that. A 8yr old child with a cell phone?
As Fledz said, it is all about from a very young age that shapes how a kid will be as they grow up. This HEAVILY influences things as they get older. |
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