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Would you ever have children? (pg. 31)
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| PivotTechno |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Isn't it something people have been trying to achieve anyway? |
I don't know, let's take a survery...
Have you been trying? |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by PivotTechno
Who said anything about pining for the old ways? How about an increased focus on sustainability, taking the place of our current, locust-like habits? |
Guess I misinterpreted you, what with all your wailing about modernity.
"Locust-like habits" have been the rule, not the exception. Species were often hunted to death before they vanished due to habitat destruction. It is mostly because of technology that we are finally able to recognize the full extent of what our practices have done to the environment, and to start putting a stop to it. New ways are more efficient anyway: they have to be, in order to feed our bigger population. |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by PivotTechno
I don't know, let's take a survery...
Have you been trying? |
Why, yes! |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by PivotTechno
But we've never done so in an attempt to sustain the needs of nearly 7 billion people. |
No, we did it to sustain a few million people instead, which presumably makes it much better.
| quote: | | Native Americans might have contributed to some NA deforestation, but the map tells me that it's accelerated considerably in the past 150 years. |
Again, this is merely a matter of scale. It's not as though human nature has changed very much in a couple of centuries. Which leads me onto:
| quote: | | Skewed Western vantage aside, how about whether it's better to be a human in the era in which we currently reside? |
You see, unless you'd said this, I'd have understood your argument as a straightforward "A natural disaster/dystopian future/collapse of civilisation is going to happen soon" doomsday prediction, but I knew you were gunning for some faux-spiritual angle on the whole thing: that somehow for all the prejudice, oppression, ignorance, superstition and old fashioned backbreaking labour and horrible diseases, somehow pre-industrial people were just happier and more spiritually satisfied with their humble existences. The whole point is that humans have always been destructive, consumptive, unsustainable, selfish, nasty and flawed beings who waged wars and destroyed the environment. |
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| PivotTechno |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
You see, unless you'd said this, I'd have understood your argument as a straightforward "A natural disaster/dystopian future/collapse of civilisation is going to happen soon" doomsday prediction, but I knew you were gunning for some faux-spiritual angle on the whole thing: that somehow for all the prejudice, oppression, ignorance, superstition and old fashioned backbreaking labour and horrible diseases, somehow pre-industrial people were just happier and more spiritually satisfied with their humble existences. |
Again, I'm not pining for the old days, I'm more concerned with what we do from this point on.
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
The whole point is that humans have always been destructive, consumptive, unsustainable, selfish, nasty and flawed beings who waged wars and destroyed the environment. |
Moreso than ever, given our ever-increasing population. Makes the conscious choice to bear young sound really enticing, and is about as valid an argument, as "that couple has 7 kids, so what difference does it make if I have one or two?" |
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| Silky Johnson |
| It's interesting that you always hear(ok, I always hear) a lot of self-proclaimed intelligent people saying they don't want to have kids, citing reasons like focusing on career and the pursuit of independence, thinking that they've evolved beyond the "need" to procreate. But if you think about it, that's a pretty bad move - because if all of these intelligent people don't have kids, the only people left populating the Earth are the stupid/ignorant. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| I'd spread my seed as far as the eye could see were it not for things like legality and responsibility, etc. I ing jerked off in that glass of water you're drinking right now. I noticed you didn't flinch. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| I'm glad you noticed. :o |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
It's interesting that you always hear(ok, I always hear) a lot of self-proclaimed intelligent people saying they don't want to have kids, citing reasons like focusing on career and the pursuit of independence, thinking that they've evolved beyond the "need" to procreate. But if you think about it, that's a pretty bad move - because if all of these intelligent people don't have kids, the only people left populating the Earth are the stupid/ignorant. |
It's all right, they won't be around to see the rise of the idiotcracy! Either they'll die of old age or the stupidity of others will take care of that :cool: |
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| Silky Johnson |
Goooood. Gooooooooooooood.
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| Theresa |
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
It's interesting that you always hear(ok, I always hear) a lot of self-proclaimed intelligent people saying they don't want to have kids, citing reasons like focusing on career and the pursuit of independence, thinking that they've evolved beyond the "need" to procreate. But if you think about it, that's a pretty bad move - because if all of these intelligent people don't have kids, the only people left populating the Earth are the stupid/ignorant. |
Well the stupid people are too stupid to stop procreating like horny rabbits... so that leaves the burden on the intelligent people to do something about the serious over-population issues we're going to face. It's unfortunate, and I am sure Darwin is spinning in his grave (assuming he too would like the smarter to thrive), but... such is life. The stupid people win.
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| LinX |
| Yes i want kids, love them. No more than 2 though. :) |
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