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Will you be getting the H1N1 flu vaccine? (pg. 16)
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by dgame
You caught me!! lol I just noticed someone posted it :tongue2 |
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| daves |
currently 86 deaths in Canada, Canada population is 33,000,000+
I believe it's an increase of 3 over a week ago.
We're currently at an infection rate of 356.69 per million, with a death rate of 2.55 per million.
In the worst area reported (Cook Islands):
Infections 5300 per million, deaths 50 per million |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Toronto Public Health officials have confirmed a boy has died of the H1N1 virus.
Authorities couldn't release the identity of the child, but he's believed to be 13-year-old Evan Frustaglio, who died Monday.
The Etobicoke teen, described as an enthusiastic hockey player, passed away Monday after falling ill only a few days earlier.
Evan reportedly started feeling sick late last week and was taken to a walk-in clinic Sunday, where a doctor assured his family he’d be okay and sent him home. He collapsed just before noon Monday and was taken to St. Joseph’s Hospital, where he died.
On Tuesday Toronto Public Health officials confirmed the H1N1 virus was the cause of death of a boy and they're expected to release more details of increasing flu activity in the afternoon.
The grade eight student took part in a hockey tournament in London, Ont. on Saturday night where he reportedly started feeling ill, complaining of a sore neck and throat.
He played for the Greater Toronto Hockey League’s AA minor bantam Mississauga North Stars and coaches have cancelled the team's next two games.Three of Evan's teammates are being treated for flu symptoms.
The teen attended The Hill Academy in Vaughan, which is a sports-oriented private school with just 83 students. Flags at the campus were at half-staff Tuesday morning and classes were cancelled.
“As you can imagine it’s a pretty emotional time for us all, we’re a pretty tight-knit unit here, and Evan was just a bright-eyed boy that loved life and was always eager to do things and to be active and to contribute. He was a great athlete and more so than that he was a great boy with great support from his parents," The Hill Academy's CEO Peter Merrill said Tuesday morning.
"We’re all in shock right now."
Merrill said he wanted to send a message of calm, especially to parents.
"We’ve been working with the public health people over the last … 12, 14 hours and I have to say they’ve been very diligent and very supportive in this whole process," he explained. "We didn’t know what was going on, we heard the sad news and we’re just trying to make sure that we’re being cautious and not panicking and as you can imagine the emotions are running pretty high right now and we’ll be working with the parents all through the day to see if we can work through this."
Hundreds of people have joined a Facebook memorial page set up for Evan and have left several messages of condolence.
This tragic case follows the death of another young person that has been linked to the H1N1 flu.
A pre-teen girl from the Cornwall, Ont. area, believed to have had the swine flu and no apparent pre-existing medical conditions, died in an Ottawa hospital Saturday. The girl was reportedly taken to hospital with mild symptoms which quickly worsened. |
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Jay - old and infirm, eh? :rolleyes: |
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| Endlesswave |
| I'm not taking it but I'm not saying this can't turn into an influenza like flu like that 'big one' in 1918 or 1913 etc which DID kill millions of people. |
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| Jayx1 |
I have a couple of questions about this.
1) swine flu tests are supposed to take 4-10 days (minimum 4 to grow the culture)
2) autopsies tend to take a couple of days.
3) this kid died yesterday and ive read that his heart stopped suddenly.
I have to say im very skeptical right now |
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| Jayx1 |
Am i the only one noticing how on the news they are juxtaposing the kids death with "are you going to get your shot?". They are doing it in the same headline and often in the same paragraph. Ive seen this kind of overblown sensationalism before. The rave crackdown 10 years ago was the same thing. If something happened anywhere after 2 am it was a "rave". Bunch of black guys shoot up a hip hop party at 3 am? "Violence at rave party"
The news generally is a bunch of BS. |
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| Orko |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
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Jay - old and infirm, eh? :rolleyes: |
The case isn't as clear cut as that article makes it out to be:
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Evan Frustaglio, a Grade 8 student and aspiring hockey star, passed away in his sleep Sunday night, friends say. He'd first fallen ill late last week, and his parents took him to the doctor. “Doctor sent him home, said he'd be okay, said there'd been no fever,” said Joel Robillos, a coach with the Mississauga Senators hockey club, and longtime friend of the family.
Evan's father coaches the atom level, a team on which Evan's younger brother plays.
Evan played at a hockey tournament on Saturday, but began vomiting that night. On Sunday his parents took him to a walk-in clinic where they were told the boy had a regular flu and instructed to continue treatment with Tylenol and Gravol.
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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...article1339503/ |
So he gets sick, then goes and plays in a hockey tournament? Since it was hockey, there could have been trauma, complete exhaustion...a bunch of overlapping factors.
They cannot tell you he died of just the flu in 24 hours, it takes much longer than that.
| quote: | | A pre-teen girl from the Cornwall, Ont. area, believed to have had the swine flu and no apparent pre-existing medical conditions, died in an Ottawa hospital Saturday. The girl was reportedly taken to hospital with mild symptoms which quickly worsened. |
BELIEVED to have, and NO APPERENT pre-existing medical conditions. Yup, the girl was as healthy as a horse, no evidence to the contrary. |
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| Elendil |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orko
The case isn't as clear cut as that article makes it out to be:
So he gets sick, then goes and plays in a hockey tournament? Since it was hockey, there could have been trauma, complete exhaustion...a bunch of overlapping factors.
They cannot tell you he died of just the flu in 24 hours, it takes much longer than that.
BELIEVED to have, and NO APPERENT pre-existing medical conditions. Yup, the girl was as healthy as a horse, no evidence to the contrary. |
Yeah, but it fits perfectly into fear based media propagation. Bet you'll see parents all over Canada rushing little Johnny and Tina down to the local injection depot.
Save us, big Pharma - for the love of god, save usssss!
Poor kid man; regardless of any kind of sickness, when sick you should ALWAYS choose rest - especially over a hockey tournament. /sigh. |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orko
The case isn't as clear cut as that article makes it out to be:
So he gets sick, then goes and plays in a hockey tournament? Since it was hockey, there could have been trauma, complete exhaustion...a bunch of overlapping factors.
They cannot tell you he died of just the flu in 24 hours, it takes much longer than that.
BELIEVED to have, and NO APPERENT pre-existing medical conditions. Yup, the girl was as healthy as a horse, no evidence to the contrary. |
the teen had no traumas at that tournie (a guy from work trains his son's team and they were there that day as well)
I do agree that exhaustion probably played A HUGE role, however that wasn't my point :) this was a jab at earlier posts by Jay stressing that only old and infirm (exhaustion due to playing sports doesn't really cut it for me as an "infirm") should be worried about the H1N1/seasonal flu
"NO APPERENT pre-existing medical conditions" - I would assume according to her medical history, so unless she suddenly developed type 3 diabetes or blood pressure problems, which is highly unlikely, why did she die?
and so that I don't sound completely one sided - my close friend is just coming out of what the doctors believe is H1N1 flu.. she got sick on Wednesday, 2 days of fever, now all she has is sore throat
what sucks though, that walk-in clinics are being HIGHLY unhelpful with this.. they send people home and suggest over the counter medicine.. H1N1 tests are only performed unless you have a condition from some sort of a "list" the doctor's office has.. so really, there is no way to know what she had.. the doctor said it was "most probably" H1N1 |
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| Orko |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
the teen had no traumas at that tournie (a guy from work trains his son's team and they were there that day as well)
I do agree that exhaustion probably played A HUGE role, however that wasn't my point :) this was a jab at earlier posts by Jay stressing that only old and infirm (exhaustion due to playing sports doesn't really cut it for me as an "infirm") should be worried about the H1N1/seasonal flu
"NO APPERENT pre-existing medical conditions" - I would assume according to her medical history, so unless she suddenly developed type 3 diabetes or blood pressure problems, which is highly unlikely, why did she die? |
For the boy: was the guy a doctor? Did he give him an examination after the games? How is he in any way an authority to say the boy was healthy, and undamaged? Did he have an x-ray machine on hand? Do any blood pressure tests?
For the girl: you are assuming it was based on a medical history from this:| quote: | | A pre-teen girl from the Cornwall, Ont. area, believed to have had the swine flu and no apparent pre-existing medical conditions, died in an Ottawa hospital Saturday. The girl was reportedly taken to hospital with mild symptoms which quickly worsened. |
There is no mention of a medical history, nor a source. Just a line from a journalist, who was rushing to get a story out.
These reports are just based on assumptions, without any credible sources. Even I sourced a Globe article, which was based on speculation, and that's the point. It is all hearsay. |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orko
For the boy: was the guy a doctor? Did he give him an examination after the games? How is he in any way an authority to say the boy was healthy, and undamaged? Did he have an x-ray machine on hand? Do any blood pressure tests? |
as far as the game went, the boy didn't receive any injuries DURING the game
clearly he wasn't healthy, since he went into the game with the existing "flu" condition, but I'm talking about any other conditions that could have worsened it all for him (interestingly enough his mother is a nurse as well!)
| quote: | For the girl: you are assuming it was based on a medical history from this:
There is no mention of a medical history, nor a source. Just a line from a journalist, who was rushing to get a story out. |
wouldn't the journalist speak to the doctor(s) before putting this into the story? I assumed the doctors have not disclosed any previous conditions in her med. history - true, no sourse though.
| quote: | | These reports are just based on assumptions, without any credible sources. Even I sourced a Globe article, which was based on speculation, and that's the point. It is all hearsay. |
stories are clearly developing for now.. |
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| Orko |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
wouldn't the journalist speak to the doctor(s) before putting this into the story? I assumed the doctors have not disclosed any previous conditions in her med. history - true, no sourse though. |
No. It could have been from the family, or neighbors, or anybody that might have known him. It's just an assumption that they talked to an authority. Doctors are not instantly available for each death, to any reporter that asks.
Funky, the point of all these, is that we have to very much scrutinize where the sources, and information is coming from. So much of 'journalism' these days, is quoting other journalists, syndication is why there are so many news 'sources'.
Unless the info is coming straight from the corner, I would be very skeptical about the validity of that info. |
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