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Will you be getting the H1N1 flu vaccine? (pg. 17)
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| Jem_hadar |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spam
Ignoring those risks because you might, maybe, get the H1N1 virus, and then you might, really maybe, if your luck is really bad and your immune system is , and the stars are aligned just so, become so ill that you need hospitalization and might, super maybe, because I read it in the paper, die, |
:haha: :haha: Gold. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
"NO APPERENT pre-existing medical conditions" - I would assume according to her medical history, so unless she suddenly developed type 3 diabetes or blood pressure problems, which is highly unlikely, why did she die? |
Well, you know happens when you assume.
The key word in that paragraph is "apparent". Pediatric medicine is one of the more difficult medical fields because, among many reasons, children have no medical history and so little is known about how they will react to different treatments (or illnesses), and their immune systems behave differently from those of adults.
I would be far more concerned if it were happening to thousands of 18-year-olds than a couple of 8-year-olds.
It's obviously a tragic event and I mean no disrespect to the parents (who probably had little to no part in this article), but this looks like just another pathetic example of salivating journalists capitalizing on a tragedy (especially one involving a child) in order to draw in more readers. "IT COULD HAPPEN TO YOU!!!!" |
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| pozz |
| my doctor told me there is mercury in that |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | H1N1 Flu Update -- September 1, 2009
I have seen more children and adults with influenza-like illness: 104 degree fevers, muscle soreness, sore throat and negative tests for strep, than in any summer I can remember. I haven't used the "flu swab" to test anybody, but I'm sure that many if not most of these sick people had Swine Flu. They all felt miserable, and they are all feeling just fine now.
Preventing outbreaks of this "novel H1N1" influenza may be a mistake of huge proportions. Yes, sadly, there will be fatalities among the 6 billion citizens of the planet. Tens of millions of cases of any illness will lead to morbidity and mortality, but this is completely (tragically) unavoidable. The consequences of not acquiring immunity this time around, however, could be really terrible and far outweigh a mass prevention program.
Here's my rationale for not using Tamiflu: If (if, if, if) this virus circles the globe as the rather innocent influenza it now appears to be, but mutates and returns as a very virulent form of influenza, it will be quite wonderful and life-saving to have formed antibodies against its 2009 version. These antibodies may be far from 100% protective, but they will help. This is incredibly important but being ignored in the interest of expediency.
In 1918, it appears that influenza A (an H1N1, by the way) did this globe-trotting mutation and killed millions. The times and state of medical care are not comparable, but a milder parallel occurrence is possible. Perhaps this happens every 100 years or so, perhaps every three million.
Whenever possible, we should form antibodies against viruses at the right stage of their existence and at the right stage of our lives (For example, chickenpox in childhood and EBV/mono in early childhood. There are many other examples.) Getting many viral illnesses confers lifetime immunity, and very few vaccines do.
Tamiflu is a very powerful drug with little proven efficacy against this bug, and with its major side effect being tummy upset. I'm not using it at all. Psychiatric side effects are also possible.
I also won't be giving the flu shot to the kids and parents in my practice unless there are extraordinary risk factors. I anticipate giving none at all this year. I doubt that there will be any really large problems with the vaccine, but I also doubt any really large benefits. As I said, I think that this year's version of this particular H1N1 is as "mild" as it will ever be and that getting sick with it this year will be good rather than bad. The chances that a new "flu shot" will be overwhelmingly effective are small.
I consider this, and most seasonal and novel influenza A vaccines, as "experimental" vaccines; they've only been tested on thousands of people for a period of weeks and then they'll be given to hundreds of millions of people. Not really the greatest science when we're in that much of a hurry. Yes, one can measure antibodies against a certain bacterium or virus in the blood and it may be associated with someone not getting sick, but there are very few illnesses common enough or enough ethics committees willing enough to do the right tests. That is, give 1000 people the real vaccine and 1000 placebo shots, expose all of them to the disease and see who gets sick. Seriously. I know it sounds terrible.
This is, obviously, a difficult public discussion because it touches on the concept of benefits and risks, again, of morbidity and mortality. Few public officials have the courage or inclination to present all facets of this difficult decision. I give vaccines to my patients every single day, but I always err on the side of caution. Implying that this is a dangerous new shot is not scientifically or statistically correct and represents hyperbole and even dishonesty on the part of the so-called "anti-vaccine" camp.
It sure isn't "sexy" to suggest handwashing, good nutrition, hydration, extra sleep and so on. It's not conventional to suggest astragalus, echinacea, elderberry and vitamin C. Adequate vitamin D levels are crucial, too.
I just think that giving this new H1N1 vaccine is not the cautious nor best thing to do.
Best,
Jay Gordon, MD, FAAP |
http://www.drjaygordon.com/developm.../h1n1update.asp |
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| VDub |
So I found out that the mercury is in a preservative called thimerosal...
It is only in the bulk vials which will be used to dosed multiple patients...
Single dose's will be thimersol-free...
It's the thimerasol which was the star in the vaccine/autism controversy which is why it was phased out of vaccines since 2001...
Until H1N1...
But I don't like all of the other controversies which ppl have been talking about here. So I don't want it...
What I do worry about is my 7 month old...Still leaning towards the no side with him too...
I'll just have to keep researching I guess... |
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| Claytonne |
| I waited 3 hours in line yesterday for mine |
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| xJillx |
| quote: | Originally posted by Elendil
It goes both ways; there are too many wanna be doctors making unproven statements about flu protection here to ;) |
LOL |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| They have now put up stickers on every urinal and in every stall in my office building telling people to wash their hands. Like that is going to make a difference. If you didn't wash your hands before I'm pretty sure a little sticker is going to change your mind. |
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| Engine9 |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
They have now put up stickers on every urinal and in every stall in my office building telling people to wash their hands. Like that is going to make a difference. If you didn't wash your hands before I'm pretty sure a little sticker is going to change your mind. |
ah but the paranoid ones might wash them twice! |
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| Elendil |
| quote: | Originally posted by VDub
So I found out that the mercury is in a preservative called thimerosal...
It is only in the bulk vials which will be used to dosed multiple patients...
Single dose's will be thimersol-free...
It's the thimerasol which was the star in the vaccine/autism controversy which is why it was phased out of vaccines since 2001...
Until H1N1...
But I don't like all of the other controversies which ppl have been talking about here. So I don't want it...
What I do worry about is my 7 month old...Still leaning towards the no side with him too...
I'll just have to keep researching I guess... |
Keep your eyes pealed really, really clearly. I have a 2 year old, and I would not go NEAR him with one of these things. Your 7 month old is most likely(?) still on breast milk which is fantastic for sickness prevention and overall immunity (especially if the source is nourished with good foods and overall health). Vaccinations are SUPER hard on a 7 month old's immune system - which relies on the mother heavily. I don't say "do or do not" - I'll simply say, research.
Check out Len Horowitz - a man with tremendous background relating to vaccination (including high level privileged involvement) here:
Len Horowitz speaking about this issue...
Follow this link to watch some other interviews with regards to general vaccinations and children. Really interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/user/VaccineTruth
Keep your eyes on if you want to get some more information on this and other pertinent health issues today Canadian Natural Health Collective A friend of mine is part of the group, and he'll be posting tonnes of vaccination information within the next couple days. He's heavily studied, and comes from a comprehensively trained health background - super interesting stuff. |
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| VDub |
I read quite a bit of Len Horowitz' information which is what's keeping me questioning...
And LMAO at ppl standing out in the wet cold for 3 hours to get a vaccine for the flu... |
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| Kamka |
| quote: | Originally posted by VDub
And LMAO at ppl standing out in the wet cold for 3 hours to get a vaccine for the flu... |
+1
I thought about that too - it is advised that if you display symptoms of illness, stay home; there are concerns about this flu being spread in high-volume public places such as the schools and the malls.. Doesn't it seem a little out of place then that people would gather up in such massive herds, waiting in crowded lines for hours just to get this vaccine, potentially increasing the risk of transmission? |
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