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Will you be getting the H1N1 flu vaccine? (pg. 7)
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
I WASN'T talking about seriously ill people! I was talking about younger crowd with blood pressure problems, for example - I personally have low blood pressure but I'm not infirm! |
so there has been a mass expiration of young people with blood pressure problems due to swine flu?
And if so is it a higher than average occurrence than normal flu? |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
so there has been a mass expiration of young people with blood pressure problems due to swine flu?
And if so is it a higher than average occurrence than normal flu? |
| quote: | | Young, otherwise healthy people who contract H1N1 flu can rapidly deteriorate into a critically ill state in a manner that is eerily reminiscent of the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic, according to research published in the November 4 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association and presented at the annual meeting of the European Society of Intensive Care Medicine. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
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"can"... what does that mean? I "could" walk outside and get hit by a bus or struck by lightning.
where are the statistics backing that up?
Tell me there are X number of young healthy people dying from this and that its far greater than normal and you have a case.
Otherwise im not buying this BS
Its the same as SARS when everyone thought the world was ending and that Toronto was a wasteland of sick people. I think most torontonians can tell you what BS hype it all was. |
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| Intangible |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
As a taxpayer i think its ridiculous that our government bought 50 million doses for 33 million people. As a taxpayer, i think its ridiculous that we blindly buy into the idea that there must be 2 flu shots. As a tax payer i find it absurd that this medicine is fast tracked without proper study and investigation. As a tax payer ive always felt that people who go to the emergency ward that dont have emergencies should be charged for it. (ie going to the hospital because little johnny has a runny nose and cant sleep) |
I've learnt there's not point arguing with you (:p) so there are a few things I'll ignore.
But I agree, I feel like there was no time to study this... And that really freaks me out. I'm still scared to get the normal flu shot because I am worried people dont know longterm effects (product of my mothers brainwashing). So this happening so quick is scary. But with my really ty immune system I am thinking it 'may' be a good idea. If I can be brave.
Have you researched why Canada ordered so much? I figure there MUST be a reason. I read that they ordered enough for 50% of the population to get one... but the numbers don't add up. Do people require more than one dose? I have a hard time believing that Canada is THAT stupid... there has to be some logic. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by Intangible
Jay, Im curious to know your opinion on how I view the flu shot...
As a tax payer I dont mind paying for the flu shot because it helps keep the population healthy. I agree that not many people will die. But each flu season our doctor offices, clinics, and hospitals become full of people with the flu. People should be smart enough to realize that going to see a doctor about the flu is pointless unless its REALLY bad - but they are not. They take seats, appointments, and hospital beds away from people who are sick with other things. I tend to get bronchitis every winter and I find it very fustrating that I can't get an appointment with a doctor for a few days because they are overbooked. The flu shot may not save lives but does it not help keep people healthy and allow our doctors to have more time for other illnesses?
I think this is especially true with H1N1... People are extremely horrified of this flu and I am sure run to the doctor the second they show any sign of it. |
You will see very little to no difference in the number of people flooding the doctor offices and hospitals because of the flu shot. The majority of people are not going there because they have the flu...they are going because of the billion other useless reasons to make a run to the doctor.
People are only scared because the media has made them scared of it. The only people really at risk of death or serious illness are either elderly, infants, or already had a depleted immune system and those are the people who should be getting flu shots...not young healthy people who have immune systems that can handle this. By all these people getting flu shots who don't need them they are just inscreasing the chances of stronger mutations to occur. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Intangible
I've learnt there's not point arguing with you (:p) so there are a few things I'll ignore.
But I agree, I feel like there was no time to study this... And that really freaks me out. I'm still scared to get the normal flu shot because I am worried people dont know longterm effects (product of my mothers brainwashing). So this happening so quick is scary. But with my really ty immune system I am thinking it 'may' be a good idea. If I can be brave.
Have you researched why Canada ordered so much? I figure there MUST be a reason. I read that they ordered enough for 50% of the population to get one... but the numbers don't add up. Do people require more than one dose? I have a hard time believing that Canada is THAT stupid... there has to be some logic. |
LOL!!
At least we agree that we are both stubbornly opinionated :)...
At first the government said it was "in case we need dual shots". They didnt know because it hadnt been studied enough yet. How scary is that???? I really do think this is all about a massive wealth scheme. And im sure that the officials directly involved with this are getting a good pay day out of this as well. The whole think just stinks from the origin of the flu, to the media half truths, to the way the vaccine is being released. |
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| 1dawoman |
I think it's time I entered the stock market...
Novartis(NVS)is the Swiss company that was the first to have a successful H1N1 vaccine....I hear their shares are about to soar... |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
"can"... what does that mean? I "could" walk outside and get hit by a bus or struck by lightning.
where are the statistics backing that up?
Tell me there are X number of young healthy people dying from this and that its far greater than normal and you have a case.
Otherwise im not buying this BS
Its the same as SARS when everyone thought the world was ending and that Toronto was a wasteland of sick people. I think most torontonians can tell you what BS hype it all was. |
Jay, the point is (and it's pretty undeniable) that we should all do something about protecting ourselves from the possible outbreak of a flu which IS potentialy more dangerous then regular seasonal flu. The end. Stop comparing it to a raspitory viral infection (SARS). |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
"can"... what does that mean? I "could" walk outside and get hit by a bus or struck by lightning.
where are the statistics backing that up?
Tell me there are X number of young healthy people dying from this and that its far greater than normal and you have a case.
Otherwise im not buying this BS
Its the same as SARS when everyone thought the world was ending and that Toronto was a wasteland of sick people. I think most torontonians can tell you what BS hype it all was. |
Jay, the point is (and it's pretty undeniable) that we should all do something about protecting ourselves from the possible outbreak of a flu which IS potentialy more dangerous then regular seasonal flu. The end. Stop comparing it to a raspitory viral infection (SARS). |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
"can"... what does that mean? I "could" walk outside and get hit by a bus or struck by lightning.
where are the statistics backing that up?
Tell me there are X number of young healthy people dying from this and that its far greater than normal and you have a case.
Otherwise im not buying this BS
Its the same as SARS when everyone thought the world was ending and that Toronto was a wasteland of sick people. I think most torontonians can tell you what BS hype it all was. |
Jay, the point is (and it's pretty undeniable) that we should all do something about protecting ourselves from the possible outbreak of a flu which IS potentiall more dangerous then regular seasonal flu. The end. Stop comparing it to a raspitory viral infection (SARS). |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
Jay, the point is (and it's pretty undeniable) that we should all do something about protecting ourselves from the possible outbreak of a flu which IS potentiall more dangerous then regular seasonal flu. The end. Stop comparing it to a raspitory viral infection (SARS). |
So where are the undeniable numbers and demographics im asking for?
Im comparing the 2 because the circumstances around them are very similar. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by Intangible
Have you researched why Canada ordered so much? I figure there MUST be a reason. I read that they ordered enough for 50% of the population to get one... but the numbers don't add up. Do people require more than one dose? I have a hard time believing that Canada is THAT stupid... there has to be some logic. |
I am sure I heard something about Canada having to order more due to the Olympics and supplying athletes with the shot. |
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