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Will you be getting the H1N1 flu vaccine? (pg. 25)
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| DJ_Elyot |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
What do you assert is worrisome about squalene? Most of the paranoia I've heard about adjuvants revolves around the supposed dangers of exposure to aluminum in the aluminum salts typically used (and those fears were every bit as groundless as the mercury hype). I believe that squalene is oil-based, which I'd expect no one to have a problem with. |
See this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squale...lth_controversy
There seems to be a big war of misinformation on both sides. In particular, vaccine companies seem to be behind many of the studies that declare it to be safe. But who knows. The whole reason why they're not giving it to pregnant women is that nobody knows if squalene is safe for them.
| quote: | | I'm pretty sure that this is just awkward wording, but an effective adjuvant would mean that less of the vaccine needs to be manufactured. |
Well, what I read was that Glaxo could only produce so much of the vaccine in the time required, so the decision was made to add the adjuvant so that the same amount of active ingredients would be good for 10x as many doses. But yeah, I think we both mean the same thing. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ_Elyot
See this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squale...lth_controversy
There seems to be a big war of misinformation on both sides. In particular, vaccine companies seem to be behind many of the studies that declare it to be safe. But who knows. The whole reason why they're not giving it to pregnant women is that nobody knows if squalene is safe for them. |
Doesn't look like "both sides" to me. It looks like a handful of crazies drew an illogical conclusion from a study which itself cautioned against drawing that same conclusion, and was later found to be fundamentally flawed.
But I guess we'll see whether or not millions of Canadians suddenly develop Gulf War Syndrome within the next few months, lol. |
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| DJ_Elyot |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Doesn't look like "both sides" to me. It looks like a handful of crazies drew an illogical conclusion from a study which itself cautioned against drawing that same conclusion, and was later found to be fundamentally flawed.
But I guess we'll see whether or not millions of Canadians suddenly develop Gulf War Syndrome within the next few months, lol. |
LOL indeed... that, I think is baseless. But who knows. |
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| JB1 |
It is a little surprising there is virtually no mention of a personal dietary plays a vital role in cost of influenza effect and without a doubt that there is also no advice to the general public on ways to keep the body in the optimum condition.
A flu is a normal natural healing crisis most commonly caused by intoxication by foreign proteins and mucous forming metabolites from dairy products. Also there is chronic acidification of body chemistry due to these lifestyle risks:
- caffeine
- nicotine
- stress
- sugar
- alcohol
- large amount of animal protein
It is our responsibilities to take care our own body and it is down to a choice of being healthy or being sick. |
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| VDub |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Also, I am pretty sure that Canada's vaccine is from Novartis, not GlaxoSmithKline, |
Holy Aaron, I thought you knew everything...
I'm losing my faith in the world... |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by JB1
- caffeine
- nicotine
- stress
- sugar
- alcohol
- large amount of animal protein
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I abuse all of those and yet I've never once had a flu |
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| Geoffb3 |
| quote: | Originally posted by JB1
- caffeine
- nicotine
- stress
- sugar
- alcohol
- large amount of animal protein
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Im ed!:whip: |
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| PivotTechno |
Health bosses accused of flu-mongering
Public health officials are misleading Canadians by continuing to characterize the H1N1 virus as a threat in the hopes of unloading millions of doses of unused vaccine, charges Ontario's former chief medical officer of health.
They are trying to save face because of an expensive overreaction, Dr. Richard Schabas said Thursday as lineups for the vaccine continued to dwindle.
He made his comments the day after the Public Health Agency of Canada unveiled a new advertising campaign aimed at encouraging Canadians to get vaccinated.
"Spending Christmas in bed or in an ICU unit is no fun and the only way to actually avoid that is for a large number of Canadians to be immunized," agency head Dr. David Butler-Jones told a teleconference.
He also said discussions are underway with the World Health Organization on what to do with the surplus vaccine.
Schabas, who is medical officer of health for Hastings and Prince Edward Counties, estimates that 35 million of the 50.4 million doses of vaccine that Canada has ordered, at a cost of more than $400 million, will not be used.
"They bought 50 million doses of vaccine and it's an embarrassment to them that it's not being used," he said, adding that it became available too late.
"I think if you are going to make that push, you at least need to tell people that the outbreak is essentially over and you have to say to people any future risk of H1N1, at least this year, is extremely small. ... You shouldn't mislead people." Schabas said.
The number of Canadians visiting doctors with flu-like symptoms peaked in late October, he noted.
"The real story is the disconnect between what the senior public health officials, provincially and nationally, have been saying to people and what's actually been going on," Schabas argued. "They have been misrepresenting the state of the outbreak and the level of risk."
Schabas said health officials have been preparing for years for a deadly avian flu pandemic and have had trouble switching gears to respond the mild H1N1 pandemic.
He added, people aren't buying into the fear as is evidenced by closing flu clinics. Toronto's eight remaining clinics were all to close Sunday but three of them shut their doors earlier this week because of little traffic.
While government officials now acknowledge the pandemic has turned out to be not as bad as initially feared, Schabas said they have been slow to adjust their responses.
"I think they got their knickers in a knot because they responded to their preconceptions. There was a preconception that a pandemic was going to be a terrible event," he said.
Ontario's 600-plus-page pandemic plan, like pandemic plans around the world, is modelled on a "moderately severe" pandemic with assumptions based on the 1957 flu pandemic. It anticipated 13,000 could die and up to 54,000 could require hospitalization.
The latest provincial numbers show 104 H1N1-related deaths and 1,656 hospitalizations so far.
H1N1 pales against earlier pandemics, study finds
LONDON–The H1N1 virus is far less dangerous than originally feared, British officials said Thursday – about 100 times less lethal than the 1918 Spanish flu.
To determine how deadly the virus is, the British health department tracked all reported swine flu patients hospitalized between July and November. In a paper published online in the British journal BMJ, experts estimated that out of every 100,000 infected people in Britain, about 26 died.
That is about 100 times less deadly than the devastating 1918 Spanish flu, which killed at least 50 million people worldwide. And swine flu appears to be nearly 10 times less fatal than the flu pandemics in 1957 and 1968, the British numbers showed.
Earlier this week, American researchers released a similar analysis of the virus and said swine flu, or H1N1, may turn out to be the mildest pandemic on record. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimated swine flu has a lower death rate than seasonal flu.
British officials also said swine flu cases fell by about half last week, with an estimated 11,000 new cases.
When the World Health Organization declared swine flu to be a pandemic in June, it described it as "moderate."
Most people who catch swine flu have mild symptoms such as a fever or cough, and recover without needing medical treatment.
A pandemic is a measure of how widely a virus spreads, not its severity. |
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| Jayx1 |
who cares? the money has been made and its time to go home.
Time to wait for the next crisis that is about to end mankind. |
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| Jem_hadar |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
who cares? the money has been made and its time to go home.
Time to wait for the next crisis that is about to end mankind. |
Oh yea, at least if you believe the JWs... the jehovah at work keeps reminding me (and did so just 2 days ago) that, and I quote:
"There will soon be no denying it any longer. Armageddon is at the door... It will be an unmistakable event. not just a big tragedy. God will be revealed. All eyes will see him and acknowledge him."
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| Jayx1 |
im sure there will be some scheme to make money that emerges in the next "crisis" which is supposedly 2012.
Keep them in fear and make them spend spend spend! |
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