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Will you be getting the H1N1 flu vaccine? (pg. 22)
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| MissK |
I feel sick when I think of all these ignorant people who trust their lives to what the government and health canada say without doing any research. It blows my mind.
I have never even gotten the flu shot. I just don't believe in it. I hate prescriptions.
I got the flu last new years. (which stopped me from seeing Carlos fauvrelle @ hotel...argh!) And it lasted me one day! Big deal. My immune system built natural antibodies.
Naturopaths bitches! They are the future of health IMO. |
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| Elendil |
| quote: | Originally posted by MissK
I feel sick when I think of all these ignorant people who trust their lives to what the government and health canada say without doing any research. It blows my mind.
I have never even gotten the flu shot. I just don't believe in it. I hate prescriptions.
I got the flu last new years. (which stopped me from seeing Carlos fauvrelle @ hotel...argh!) And it lasted me one day! Big deal. My immune system built natural antibodies.
Naturopaths bitches! They are the future of health IMO. |
Ahh, but big pharma would have us believing that our bodies are incapable of handling such "terrifying" and "deadly" infections; somehow their synthetic medical concoctions supersede the hundreds of thousands of years worth of genetic immune system refinement we represent. It'd be laughable, if it didn't result in so much human suffering.
Want your system to be in tip top shape? Make sure your systems of elimination are operating in prime order. First and foremost, the bowel.
As for the future; I hope the future of health is the proliferation of synergistic knowledge both from the old world, and from a new generation of researchers who operate in a climate of ingenuity and free thought, supported by a comprehensive network of health providers (naturopathic, alternative medicine of all sorts and of course, our general physicians and surgeons - given more power to operate independently under their own shrewd medical learning).
How to achieve it? Have our OHIP money follow the PATIENT, not like how it functions now - forcing the patient go to a prefunded health center. Let US determine the care we desire - after all, it's our bloody tax dollars here.
Anyways, enough from me for now ;) |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by VERTiG0
All kinds of tinfoil hat stuff in here |
Indeed. There was some reasonably good discourse for a while, but it's degraded into insane medical conspiracy theories, pseudoscience pulled from quacks railing against "big pharma", chain letters of questionable origin, and random irrelevant nonmedical conspiracy theories that were debunked decades ago.
It's really quite simple: The vaccine has not been well-tested and is therefore risky; however, it is probably not going to kill you and it's highly doubtful that it's part of a giant conspiracy run by a network of shadowy organizations (Occam's razor here). And while H1N1 has been known to have a slightly higher mortality rate among 20- and 30-somethings than seasonal flu, it's still extremely low and you'll probably be safer if you just avoid sick people and wash your hands (properly).
H1N1 isn't the end of the world and neither is the vaccine. Both of them are ridiculously overblown, the former by the mass media and the latter by quacks and hippies. As usual, the truth lies somewhere in the middle of all this stupidity and most people can't seem to pay attention for long enough or think critically enough to get there.
And just to add my own little WTF moment: We were just subjected to a speech at work today advising, of all the stupid things, to use hand sanitizer as a preventative measure. God help us. At least he also told people to cough into their sleeves and stay home if they're sick. |
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| Anas Attia |
I figured I'd share this with you guys:
In my Neuro Behavior class our professor was recommeding (very passionately) that everyone take the shot at the school's clinic. I naturally had an issue with that, which lead to a discussion between us.
Here were my points, I don't want to share her's as to keep it confidential. But I kept mine simple enough.
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Dear Professor
I understand your concern regarding the flu making its rounds at INSERT SCHOOL NAME, but I find the vaccination recommendation made in class today to be peculiar. My reasoning includes the fact that the vaccine has yet to be proven by any study outside the government body and the vaccine manufacturer (private corporation). Interestingly enough however there has been studies for which the opposite was being proven, the vaccines inability and even further (on occasion), its acceleration of flu symptoms.
I don't have to remind you that we live in a very panicky society, the
usual flu season mixed in with 24/7 of flu (scare) news on the TV and other media formats will insure a higher state of alarm regarding something we deal with every year. It is now being understood that many of those who take school or work off are doing so with exaggerative reasoning and worry of having the Swine. Those who actually fall victim to the flu do so as they have a weak immune system. This is a result of poor diets, lack of exercise and ineffective health precautions such as diligent hand washing.
A law suit in Washington DC has been initialized by Health Care workers, as they are being forced to take the vaccine, and naturally seeing as the vaccine has yet to be proven a few thinkers had an issue. In some cases jobs are being lost as some will not abide by the national order. The law in both Canada and the United States states,one must establish that a vaccine is safe and effective before it can be given to the public. It has not. With this, the Canadian government purchased 50 million vaccines. It is important to understand that whole nations can be manipulated to believe one thing or the next; it’s actually quite simple and requires little effort.
I understand that this email is bit unexpected and unorthodox but the information is out there to support the vaccines unproven ability to help in any way against the virus. One must regard official government and media outlets as a non-source, with scientists and their studies as primary sources.
I am not necessarily concerned for everyone’s health (I am) but I’m more so concerned with what is essentially scientific. I must correct myself however, there are studies that say the vaccine will help, all of which were paid for by the pharmaceutical industry, or directly by Gilead Sciences Corp.
I understand that nothing in medicine works perfectly, as I do understand certain medicines are appropriate for certain people. The issue lies with the mass recommendation that everyone young to old must take an unproven vaccine for what could be (in most cases) an non issue for most people, the common cold and its symptoms.
There are many angles for which to view this "epidemic" issue and its related vaccine. For example, one can look at the corporate culture behind the development and distribution of the vaccine. One can also look at the media's formulation of official reports using loose scientific theories and exaggerative claims. Lastly, through the analysis of language used in the official reports it becomes apparent the overall aim is to not only alarm the public but insure that vaccination sales reach the desired bountiful figures.
Disregarding any evidence pointing to corporate agendas and profiteering, the simple fact remains, the vaccine has not been proven. This unfortunately has been becoming a trend. Vaccines and other medication from private profit oriented institutions are not being appropriately tested and then heavily suggested for public consumption.
All in all professor, I mean nothing but the bettering of the world around us, I am merely presenting the skeptics point of view, the one for which never accepts information on their face value. The alarm bells went off as soon as I started hearing the word epidemic being tossed around like a salad and on the tip of everyone’s tongue. Simply, we are not dealing with an epidemic. I merely wanted to get across that the vaccine is untested, with any medium to long term effects completely unknown. The justification for most people's apparent need of the vaccine then is not valid. I've never taken vaccines but also never gotten the flu, on a personal level I cannot justify injecting the vaccine.
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| Spam |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
srsly these doctors should be going live on TV and news, not forwarding mass emails
I don't know.. something is fishy here |
If they could GET on the news, they would. Trust me. Do you think news outlets just let anybody with an opinion on their shows or make space available in the pages of their paper for random doctor's opinion? They filter and edit EVERY story that gets published so that they can spread their "version" of the news, that hopefully sells more papers.
News outlets don't make money by telling the populace that "Everything is OK". They make money by pasting alarming headlines on their front pages that convince you to purchase a copy of their newspaper (or continue to watch the news, if seen on TV, thus increasing their advertising revenue).
It's fishy because mainstream news outlets aren't interested in spreading accurate news stories anymore (How many times do we read that someone was shot at an "afterhours club", or in the "club district" when really, it was 2 blocks down the street at an appartment building, for instance?). What they're interested in is Making Money, and you make money by publishing stories that sell. Unfortunately, saying "H1N1 probably won't kill you, in fact, it probably won't feel like anything worse than the regular flu, so don't worry people" immediately ends a news story that they can make money off of for MONTHS!
Then you have to consider the huge pressure that many doctors are under to push big-pharma products, and it's no wonder there are so many willing doctors who don't have a clue or are simply irresponsible to go on TV, and tell the news outlets EXACTLY what they want to hear/air/publish. |
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| Spam |
| quote: | Originally posted by Intangible
Wow this thread has really started to freak me out.
I was considering the shot... but now :conf:
I think I rather risk getting the flu... The flu will just put me in bed for a few weeks. I am not going to die or have something horrible happen to me... Cant say the same for the shot.
Time to go buy some vitamin D |
A few WEEKS?!!!
For the flu?
Holy :eyes:
I have a BAD flu if I puke ONE time and feel a little drowsy for the day, but I haven't had the flu in years. I just get a cold in early March ;) |
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| Spam |
| quote: | Originally posted by LiveTime
All the shot is every year is for the most common flu that is going around at the time. In this case it is h1n1. So really this is no different than in previous years. |
Worse.
All the "seasonal flu shot" is every year is an educated guess at what the most common flu MIGHT be. |
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| Jayx1 |
| i wonder that with so many media cynics and savvy people if it would actually be profitable to start a non sensational news outlet these days. One with balanced news and opinions. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
i wonder that with so many media cynics and savvy people if it would actually be profitable to start a non sensational news outlet these days. One with balanced news and opinions. |
I think it would turn quickly into a Fox News type channel. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
I think it would turn quickly into a Fox News type channel. |
so balanced reporting is now kangaroo news and biased reporting is fact? We really are becoming communist indoctrinated arent we? |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
so balanced reporting is now kangaroo news and biased reporting is fact? We really are becoming communist indoctrinated arent we? |
Reality is anyone can find an expert to agree with their side of a story and provide some proof....not matter how small.....that their side is correct. It just turns into a he said/she said debate that looks like nothing more then a kangaroo court. |
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| Abercrombie |
So I just got back from vacation, and heard my nephew has the H1N1. Missing school for a week, loss of work from his parents, stronger than normal flu symptoms. The stress and worry they went through was something they could have done without. They all did what they could to build up their immune systems too. But after the swab turned positive, their doctor said there isn't anything they could have done to prevent it once in contact with it. This isn't a Human flu, it comes from animals, so we can't be immune to it no matter what 'holistic' or 'alternative medicine' approach we take to build up our bodies. Once you catch this virus, you got it, and must ride it through. Makes sense.
Now my thoughts on the government now that I have been catching up with my Canadian news...
They totally fcucked everything up.
First they did blow it all out of proportion,
then ordered a sh!tload of vaccine,
saw that the public isn't finding it a big deal,
tell Glaxo to slow down on production because polls showed less people interested in the vaccine than expected, and need to save money
the virus isn't spreading as fast as expected a month ago
The media put a face on the virus (child who died)
the face generated a huge demand all of a sudden
Government then blames Glaxo for the shortage.
I'm pretty sure I summed it up right. |
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