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9/11 RIP to the Fallen & F*CK the US GOV (pg. 17)
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| DaRoZa |
| quote: | Originally posted by gummybear
It's tragic all around and I just don't understand why people that don't blindly follow what a corrupt government says and does are, being deemed to be losers, idiots..and having death wished on them. So ridiculous. |
it has nothing to do with "following" the US gov't. it's just about evaluating the quality of information that's surfaced over 9 years. i'm a huge critic of the US in MANY ways, and acknowledge a lot of shady and corrupt stuff goes on, but it doesn't mean i have to write off every statement they support as a lie. just because some negligent actions may have occurred at high levels, it doesn't mean that they are suddenly a homogenous, evil body that are "behind" 9/11. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by gummybear
I just believe it's worthy of thought and research. |
that's fine, as long as the research is honest and robust. thus far, the truth movement has been neither.
| quote: | Originally posted by gummybear
It's tragic all around and I just don't understand why people that don't blindly follow what a corrupt government says and does are, being deemed to be losers, idiots..and having death wished on them. So ridiculous. |
have you seen the contributors to NIST's 2 reports? how could you classify either report as merely a governmental investigation? the private sector was heavily involved in the research and analysis.
which relevant experts do you feel were left out of NIST's analysis?
i don't mean to claim that either NIST report is without errors or omissions and oversights etc. but such errors are not reason enough to entertain completely fantastic ideas, bereft of any supporting evidence.
anti establishment types choose to take the fraudulent work of non experts over and above the professionals who do this work for a living. why? they want to believe. that's the only rational explanation, because i've read some of the truther research papers, and they are a ing joke. they read like under graduate political pieces, not scientific examinations. its embarrassing.
nobody says anyone should swallow what the "government" tells them, but neither should they believe everything they find on the internet. if someone wishes to discount the "official" story of 911 they need to produce a better, more accurate version. 9 years and that still hasn't happened. |
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| basilisk |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
anti establishment types choose to take the fraudulent work of non experts over and above the professionals who do this work for a living. why? they want to believe. that's the only rational explanation, because i've read some of the truther research papers, and they are a ing joke. they read like under graduate political pieces, not scientific examinations. its embarrassing.
nobody says anyone should swallow what the "government" tells them, but neither should they believe everything they find on the internet. if someone wishes to discount the "official" story of 911 they need to produce a better, more accurate version. 9 years and that still hasn't happened. |
Well, that saves me the trouble of posting. I'm so glad I didn't open page 17 of this thread to find nonsense about "directed energy weapons" or meticulous discussions of "squibs" by complete non-experts. Hurrah! |
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| exraver |
People, I'm surprised, but everybody failed to see big picture.
USA already started WW3 with bombing of Yugoslavia, then 9/11, Afganistan and Iraq, now it's turn of Iran and North Korea.
Yes, this war is different from first and second, but it doesn't change a fact what it started.
US economy is going nowhere, and they knew it long before 9/11.
How did they get out of Great Depression?
Thanks to WW2 and land-lease.
It's no secret americans supported Hitler until certain point in time.
Another major war is the only way to get US out of huge deficit and high unemployment right now. |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by exraver
People, I'm surprised, but everybody failed to see big picture.
USA already started WW3 with bombing of Yugoslavia, then 9/11, Afganistan and Iraq, now it's turn of Iran and North Korea.
Yes, this war is different from first and second, but it doesn't change a fact what it started.
US economy is going nowhere, and they knew it long before 9/11.
How did they get out of Great Depression?
Thanks to WW2 and land-lease.
It's no secret americans supported Hitler until certain point in time.
Another major war is the only way to get US out of huge deficit and high unemployment right now. |
You are an idiot with no grasp on modern history or warfare. Any major war would be with a nuclear state, as they are the only ones with capable forces, and more than likely elevate to a nuclear exchange within weeks, if not days, of starting. All political and military leaders know this.
Even if that were not the case, we have two wars right now, we have had two wars for almost a decade. Its just sunk the US into deeper debt. Military spending is allocated much differently than it is today. Unless we are fighting a country mustering a force the size of the Soviet Union in Europe during the height of the Cold War, we'd be able to sustain tank, aircraft, and munitions levels with out current output power. There wouldn't be the same level of across the base mobilization that we saw during world war 2. War is a lot less mass intensive these days. |
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| thesauce23 |
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| love_child |
| quote: | Originally posted by thesauce23
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| geroin |
| quote: | Originally posted by love_child
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| infinity HiGH |
Why is it that it's either a) you're believe the official story or b) you believe that the government organized this whole thing from top to bottom, had weekly meetings on the planning and logistics, 100's of people were involved, etc. but there's no in-between?
I'm not saying that the Gov planned this whole thing and faked the plane crash at the pentagon, etc etc (because they didn't)...but why do people assume that the government couldn't pull this off? An operation of this caliber wouldn't be handled by the same useless, overspending s that are handling health care, or any other public service. You can't assume that the "whole government" would be behind this when, realistically, it would be a handful of individuals who are higher up on the food chain and have connections all over the world and the proper authority to enable this.
Like I said I don't believe it was an inside job but I also don't think that the terrorists pulled an elaborate operation like this off on their own. And I don't accept sheer incompetence from the intelligence (or lack thereof) community as being the prime reason this happened. |
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| love_child |
| quote: | Originally posted by geroin
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| gummybear |
| okie dokie Swamper...doin it now..:) |
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| Comrade Stalin |
| quote: | Originally posted by infinity HiGH
Why is it that it's either a) you're believe the official story or b) you believe that the government organized this whole thing from top to bottom, had weekly meetings on the planning and logistics, 100's of people were involved, etc. but there's no in-between?
I'm not saying that the Gov planned this whole thing and faked the plane crash at the pentagon, etc etc (because they didn't)...but why do people assume that the government couldn't pull this off? An operation of this caliber wouldn't be handled by the same useless, overspending s that are handling health care, or any other public service. You can't assume that the "whole government" would be behind this when, realistically, it would be a handful of individuals who are higher up on the food chain and have connections all over the world and the proper authority to enable this. |
Such a plot would be IMPOSSIBLE to keep secret. It is 100% implausible. It's not an 'either/or' argument for the sake of it. It's an 'either/or' because one side is completely and utterly wrong. Would you say the same thing in regards to creationism and evolution. "WHY CAN'T THEIR BE AN IN-BETWEEN!?" Because the two sides are completely irreconcilable and there is no in-between. One side is flat out wrong and the other is right. There is no "half-right".
| quote: | | Like I said I don't believe it was an inside job but I also don't think that the terrorists pulled an elaborate operation like this off on their own. And I don't accept sheer incompetence from the intelligence (or lack thereof) community as being the prime reason this happened. |
Why not? Hijackings aren't hard to do FYI. |
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