Again, there is ZERO precedent for the US government murdering thousands of its own citizens. Nobody ever said our government were cute little angels, but FFS, get real dude...:rolleyes:
Yet you want to believe 100% what they fork over to you.
Well have fun with that
shagnew13
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That has NOTHING to do with what we're talking about. Jesus Christ, if you can't prove your point, start posting random completely unrelated bull right?
Yes it does, because you make it sound in everything you've posted that we are to be under the impression that we are to believe everything the Gov't says is 100% the truth, and it has direct relation to the events of the JFK Assassination, in that they have never come out and stated the truth of the events that happened, even with people on record, and videos, and statements regarding the events that took place.
Give me a break.. By all means keep on Believing what they tell you.
geroin
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
No, but the fact that its illogical and scientific nonsense certainly does.
Scientific nonsense..says who? who are you to claim that it is sctientific nonsense, have you, yourself discovered that or are you just like a bunch of other retards coming to a conclusion based on nist documents?
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
NIST’s analyses remain the pre-eminent research on the collapse of 1,2 & 7. I don’t care you “don’t believe” their work. You are intellectually incapable of assessing their research.
I'm incapable of analizing bull? you're a moron, their research could be completely biased and fabricated yet you would still stand by it because it is the official document released by the government, you still dismiss any independent studies that were done outside of that, i don't care how pre-eminent their research is. Their information does not match witness reports and and scietific calculations.
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
Yeah, the black box, the crew who flew the plane and the passengers known to be on the flight just aren’t good enough!
Yes not good enough because none of that was verified independently.
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
You are truly intellectually disabled. You wanted to know why the videos hadn’t been released. Those ones have been released haven’t they head? So one would assume you were not referring to those when you wanted to know why the rest of the videos aren’t available? Or were you referring to released videos when you asked why they hadn’t been released? Haha.
Idiot, what i asked was why weren't videos on 83 remaining cameras released to the public under the freedom of information act, even 9 years later all we have is 1 3 second video and another video of blurry smoke, if that is good enough evidence for you to base your assumption of the plane hitting the building then you're moron like i stated before. Pentagon is the most ing watched place on earth, they have more cctv security cameras installed on that property than anoy other place anywhere and we haven't seen one appropriate footage to clearly show the impact of the plane. off
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
CIT, jones, gage, legge et al do not do this. they make stuff up to sell gullible fools like you tshirts and mugs. The point you’re missing is that if you measure a-z and find a-z equals 30cm, and then nobody is able to reproduce your experiment, then your measurements become seriously suspect. Perhaps you would like to read jones’ work on cold fusion and his paper on jesus visiting native Americans? Ha.
You do not need to quote people that i did not quote and then assume that made up my mind based on those specific theories by these people, you can try to put words in my mouth but that doesn't make your point any more appropriate
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
there are, in addition to mike walters, several hundred people who saw a plane crash into the pentagon. You’re right though, nothing could change your mind, because you didn’t get to your opinion via logic and evidence. its just a strongly-held belief, probably because it suits your worldview. Most of the 911 tards I have come across fall into the same boat- no matter what you show them they’ll still be believers.
regardless of what people saw there is evidence of 30+ other people seeing a plane flying over through the north which already is good enough evidence to me that the report done by nist is bull.
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
As above. Had you done as much research as you claim, you should already know the answer to this. Not only are you wrong on just about everything, but you don’t even know anything about the evidence you claim exists. Hell, im a hardline anti 911 CTer and even I know the pretend evidence better than you do. you’re a joke.
pretend evidence is what you're trying to push with your bull agenda, any person with half a brain would understand that the government is feeding us and you and your comrade buddy are eating it.
5. Inability to employ or understand Occam's Razor.
Aided by the principle in 4. above, conspiracy theorists never notice that the small inconsistencies in the accounts which they reject are dwarfed by the enormous, gaping holes in logic, likelihood and evidence in any alternative account.
:haha: yeah mate, all that DNA and crash evidence and hundreds of witnesses aint good enough for the woo brigade!
is that all you can do? 3 images of tiny pieces of metal? have you ever seen a plane crash before? where is everything else? one of your witnesses claims the wings literally came off or broke off when it hit the building, lol what the is that story about, where is everything?? why is theere no damage to the foundatuion of the building and last but not least where is the ing video evidence when it is available but not released?
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
You’re not in a position to quote science because you don’t understand what kinds of science actually matter in the real world of grown ups.
clearly you are in a position, right? go ahead and quote your stupid again
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN 5. Inability to employ or understand Occam's Razor.
Aided by the principle in 4. above, conspiracy theorists never notice that the small inconsistencies in the accounts which they reject are dwarfed by the enormous, gaping holes in logic, likelihood and evidence in any alternative account.
This is you. concentrating on directions of planes etc rather than the bodies of the crew and passengers, the plane wreckage, the black box found etc. hopeless retardation.
silly me, i'm concentrating on direction of the plane because it doesn't match the official report based on 30+ witnesses but pkcRAISTLIN is the smart one because he bases his logic on an empty voice recorder that has 0 data on it. just one big coincidence right?
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
Oohhhhh, OK. so the CTists and your buddies at A&Etruth got it wrong when they put the black box data together in an effort to show the plane didn’t crash at the pentagon? Hahaha. , you’re so ignorant, even of your own conspiracy theories.
again retard logic by putting words in my mouth, if the blackbox was in fact there there is no proof of that because of "missing data".
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
Based on the fact that eye-witness testimonies are notoriously unreliable. Don’t believe me, ask any lawyer you know. I’m sure there can and is an explanation for what the officers saw, and such issues have no impact on the hundreds of people who saw a plane crash into the pentagon, the bodies matched via DNA etc.
Ohh alright, so those are unreliable but you base your "plane hitting the pentagon theory" on 100+ eye witnesses right?
You're sure there is an explanation to what the officers and other witnesses saw, what did they see? a ufo?
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
Well firstly, you need to understand that this occurred shortly after peak hour, right next to a really busy highway, hence the sheer number of witnesses. Also, there are plenty of photographs of plane debris you can find all over the web. I don’t have time to fight each piece of ignorance you choose to share.
3. Inability to answer questions.
For people who loudly advertise their determination to the principle of questioning everything, they're pretty poor at answering direct questions from sceptics about the claims that they make.
its on youtube, it must be true!
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look, regardless if the plane hit the pentagon or not, i want to know why there is incosistency in the reports that were provided to us publicly, why doesn't the information match, why are people being supressed from speaking about it, especially legitimate witnesses? why is there no footage released publicly when it is clearly available to make evryone aware of what happened and show the truth? Because it did not happen the way we are being told.
ChemEnhanced
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Originally posted by shagnew13
Yes it does, because you make it sound in everything you've posted that we are to be under the impression that we are to believe everything the Gov't says is 100% the truth, and it has direct relation to the events of the JFK Assassination, in that they have never come out and stated the truth of the events that happened, even with people on record, and videos, and statements regarding the events that took place.
Give me a break.. By all means keep on Believing what they tell you.
I don't see anywhere where he has stated we are to believe everything the Government says.
Just because people come out and say and there are videos doesn't always mean its true. People say they've seen Big Foot and there is video evidence too but me if there actually is a big hairy human ape like creature out there even though a body, bones or DNA evidence has never been collected.
Zentac_75
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Originally posted by culorut
Steel framed buildings do not blow up and collapse at practically the rate of free fall because of fires. Never in the history of mankind before or after 9/11.
Stupid.
The claim that fire has never before destroyed a steel-framed building seems to hold up well, as it's hard to find a recent example of it. The reason is that modern building fires are always fought, they have sprinkler systems, and their steel is well insulated. Turn the clock back a few decades to World War II, when there was massive worldwide incendiary bombing of major cities, there were no sprinkler systems, and fire fighters had no hope of responding, there were many hundreds of steel framed buildings that were destroyed by fire. Not by bombs; by fire. The Edo Museum in Tokyo has preserved gnarled masses of giant girders twisted into knots by fire. London's Imperial War Museum has thousands of photographs of the same, and even a large collection of contemporary art depicting warped steel girders. Dresden's City Historical Museum also shows examples of steel girders from buildings that collapsed from fire, during that city's most infamous of all large-scale incendiary attacks. These museum collections all predate any alleged September 11 conspiracy.
Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
I don't see anywhere where he has stated we are to believe everything the Government says.
Just because people come out and say and there are videos doesn't always mean its true. People say they've seen Big Foot and there is video evidence too but me if there actually is a big hairy human ape like creature out there even though a body, bones or DNA evidence has never been collected.
Oh ... they might start arguing about bigfoot now lol...
those guys probably think OJ is innocent too because it was proven in a court of law.
shagnew13
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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
I don't see anywhere where he has stated we are to believe everything the Government says.
Just because people come out and say and there are videos doesn't always mean its true. People say they've seen Big Foot and there is video evidence too but me if there actually is a big hairy human ape like creature out there even though a body, bones or DNA evidence has never been collected.
So under that presumption, what the Gov't released as videos, and what countless eyewitnesses said they saw we are to be believe this, even when Eye Witnesses can be unreliable we are to believe that it is true, because the Gov't says so?
I don't think so. You have to be a moron still if you believe that there is actually a big foot, and locness, etc. But you have to question what the Gov't actually is telling the American people. They can throw out all kinds of videos and say what happened, doesnt mean I have to believe it.
There are flaws, and holes in the story told to the American people hence why there are people questioning the accuracy and the authenticity of the reports.
I don't believe what they told us and the world because I don't get horse fed a bunch of bulls*hit, and lies (proven throughout history) by the Gov't.
Throughout the years the U/S Gov't has lied,over and over again, and the Gov't is based on greed, power, and political power.
But go on keep believing their sh*it
Comrade Stalin
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Originally posted by shagnew13
Yet you want to believe 100% what they fork over to you.
Well have fun with that
There is no precedent for the government killing thousands of its own citizens. You're more than welcome to prove otherwise. But the above quote, really is pathetic. :haha: You're a fraud. ;)
Comrade Stalin
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Originally posted by shagnew13
Yes it does, because you make it sound in everything you've posted that we are to be under the impression that we are to believe everything the Gov't says is 100% the truth, and it has direct relation to the events of the JFK Assassination, in that they have never come out and stated the truth of the events that happened, even with people on record, and videos, and statements regarding the events that took place.
Give me a break.. By all means keep on Believing what they tell you.
JFK's assassination HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11. !
I never said believe everything the government said. Stop making up. Straw-man. Again, for the millionth time. There is no precedent for the US government killing 3000 of its own citizens to gain support for some policy decision. Have they lied? Yes. Vietnam. We ing know dude. But that is not evidence for a 9/11 conspiracy plot. If you were in a courtroom, you'd be laughed at like a clown, and told to get the out, stop wasting the court's time. If only you and friends could reason with the same standard as mainstream academia and law. Really pathetic.
Please, drop the, "Keep believing what they tell you." Why don't YOU stop believing what Alex Jones tell you verbatim? If Alex Jones says it, you'll believe it without question. Hypocrite.
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By all means don't be logical and look into the people who made billions from the wars that proceeded, suspicious insurance policy's and put options on the same airline companies that evidently crashed into their targets just hours/days later (all coincidentally of course).
Especially do not look at the PNAC document titled "Rebuilding America's Defenses". Written up well before 9/11 and by no other then the same handful of lying criminals (coincidentally) stating they needed a new Pearl Harbor staged event in order to justify a war in order to secure American policy overseas.
Funny how I already posted almost exactly same stuff on page 32 of this thread, and all I got in reply was "it's another lie".
Ignorance is a blessing.
shagnew13
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Originally posted by Comrade Stalin
JFK's assassination HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11. !
I never said believe everything the government said. Stop making up. Straw-man. Again, for the millionth time. There is no precedent for the US government killing 3000 of its own citizens to gain support for some policy decision. Have they lied? Yes. Vietnam. We ing know dude. But that is not evidence for a 9/11 conspiracy plot. If you were in a courtroom, you'd be laughed at like a clown, and told to get the out, stop wasting the court's time. If only you and friends could reason with the same standard as mainstream academia and law. Really pathetic.
Please, drop the, "Keep believing what they tell you." Why don't YOU stop believing what Alex Jones tell you verbatim? If Alex Jones says it, you'll believe it without question. Hypocrite.
Result to name calling again hahaha
I never said JFK's assassination had anything to do with 9/11, I used it in context with how the Gov't has lied, and to not believe everything they say.
But if you want to use it out of context, then go ahead.
There are questions to be answered and it is perfectly reasonable to ask those questions. And that will continue until there is an adequate investigation done and not a botched and mis-informed one done by NIST sorry to say.
geroin
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Originally posted by Spam
I calculated the distance from my house to the school one time. I got 827 meters, which makes me the smartest person in the world because EVERYONE else that's ever measured the same distance gets 973 meters. But, since I did the calculations myself, I don't really need anyone else to back up my calculations, because Galileo thought the earth was round and was executed for it or some .
Galileo was never executed but some people were like Hypatia or Copernicus for example.
Ok then based on your example you just proved to me that an independent study should have been done to verify the "facts" that are being fed to us then.
