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9/11 RIP to the Fallen & F*CK the US GOV (pg. 42)
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| shagnew13 |
World Trade Center Six, which had the equivalent of tens of Boeing 767's hit it, and had a raging fire burn for hours through it, did not completely collapse
Yet, we are meant to believe that,... the 110-story World Trade Center Towers, which had only one Boeing 767 hit them, and only had short-lived smoldering fires, collapsed completely to dust. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| ...and the stupid never ends :stongue: |
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| shagnew13 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Comrade Stalin
If anything, it's you who believes in a fantasy.
No, that. You can address my rebuttals or admit you're full of . |
hahahaha thats all I got to say, I'm full of , have you listened to yourself through out this thread??
I am asking genuine questions, too bad you don't have the answers, and your rebuttal.
Oh just to acknowledge... if we can't use past events to justify the present, then how the do you explain science? People in science use past events, and calculations here in the present. By your justification that past events can't be used, Science of the Past can't be used, so I think your theory is kind of flawed in that logic. |
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| Comrade Stalin |
| quote: | Originally posted by exraver
Hey, morons, care to explain couple of these pics?
Clear angle cut on one of the columns:
[img]http://img176.**************/img176/9849/78542ix9.jpg[img]
How did this happen?
[img]http://img139.**************/img139/4466/0447eh2.jpg[img] |
There is nothing to explain. Why don't you tell us WTF these pictures are supposed to mean?? |
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| basilisk |
Look, the armchair engineers are back!
| quote: | Originally posted by exraver
Explain me this, same Boeings crashing in WTC, taking whole thing down, and pentagon, there's barely any damage at all?
You can see intact windows, for god's sake. |
This would indeed be strange if the buildings were built with the same materials and with the same underlying structure. They weren't. Unless you have some expertise to bring to bear here you're just making a public spectacle of your ignorance.
| quote: | Originally posted by shagnew13
World Trade Center Six, which had the equivalent of tens of Boeing 767's hit it, and had a raging fire burn for hours through it, did not completely collapse
Yet, we are meant to believe that,... the 110-story World Trade Center Towers, which had only one Boeing 767 hit them, and only had short-lived smoldering fires, collapsed completely to dust. |
This isn't a matter of metaphysics and belief. Again, unless you are some kind of expert in the engineering details I don't know why you'd go on about this. Common sense does not hold bridges or skyscrapers aloft. |
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| Comrade Stalin |
| quote: | Originally posted by shagnew13
hahahaha thats all I got to say, I'm full of , |
Good, glad we got that out of the way.
| quote: | | have you listened to yourself through out this thread?? I am asking genuine questions, too bad you don't have the answers, and your rebuttal. |
I answered your retarded ass questions, and your response is this..."hahahaha thats all I got to say, I'm full of "
Not my fault you're too stupid to defend your point of view in the face of rational scrutiny. Have I listened to myself in this thread? Yea, I've repeatedly extended the opportunity for you and your friends to answers very specific points I have made, and NONE OF YOU has even attempted that, but instead just post more bull, kind of like throwing darts at a dart board...maybe one of them will hit right? LOL...:rolleyes:
| quote: | | Oh just to acknowledge... if we can't use past events to justify the present, then how the do you explain science? People in science use past events, and calculations here in the present. By your justification that past events can't be used, Science of the Past can't be used, so I think your theory is kind of flawed in that logic. |
The difference here is scientists use past events IN-CONTEXT. What you are trying to do is relate two completely unrelated events, with completely unrelated participants, to justify a completely unproven thesis. Additionally, in legal terms, precedence is what is most important if you're going to use past events. As I stated before, and which you and friends aren't capable accepting or refuting, is that there is a precedence for the US government's inability to keep a secret. While there is ZERO precedence for the US government killing thousands of its own citizens so it can implement some lofty policy goal, AND keep the plot absolutely secret. It's a fantasy. A religion. And Alex Jones is your messiah.
I explain science as a process of repeating experiments whose results are published in peer-reviewed publications. How pathetic none of you 9/11 truthers can point to a single peer-reviewed published research supporting anything in the 9/11 conspiracy religion. Unless of course you create your own fraud of a research journal...:haha: :haha: |
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| shagnew13 |
| quote: | Originally posted by basilisk
Look, the armchair engineers are back!
This would indeed be strange if the buildings were built with the same materials and with the same underlying structure. They weren't. Unless you have some expertise to bring to bear here you're just making a public spectacle of your ignorance.
This isn't a matter of metaphysics and belief. Again, unless you are some kind of expert in the engineering details I don't know why you'd go on about this. Common sense does not hold bridges or skyscrapers aloft. |
It's funny you talk about Common Sense, so I assume that common sense would be to believe what the Gov't told us was 100% correct, and that what happened that day and the following days is also commone sense?
I have never claimed to be some metaphysist or engineer, but it is common sense to ask the question that, a Building that took heavy, heavy damage as you can see from the picture, and had fire ravage the building, and was closer then world trade center 7 was still standing after both the north and south towers came down.
Yet hundreds of feet a away with no direct impact from the towers, just falling debris, and that building completely collapsed into its own footprint.
It's common sense to legitimately ask questions about what happened, but the Gov't doesn't want to come out and say anything other then what has already come out, yet no one can ask questions, or not believe what the Gov't has come out and said, because they are called conspiracy theorist and are bashed because the so-called people that believe 100% what the Gov't says is so far up the Gov't ass, and sucking on the teets at what garbage they throw out to the general public that they are blind at what they perceive as the truth.
There are legitimate questions to ask, and no one seems to have the answers for it. The Gov't don't, NIST report was botched over and over, so I dont know why you would trust that piece of garbage. If there weren't questions to ask, then why have so many Engineers, Architects been questioning the investigation and asking for proper answers?
Yet no one out there wants to answer them, or can give them a 100% true answer. |
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| shagnew13 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Comrade Stalin
Good, glad we got that out of the way.
I answered your retarded ass questions, and your response is this..."hahahaha thats all I got to say, I'm full of "
Not my fault you're too stupid to defend your point of view in the face of rational scrutiny. Have I listened to myself in this thread? Yea, I've repeatedly extended the opportunity for you and your friends to answers very specific points I have made, and NONE OF YOU has even attempted that, but instead just post more bull, kind of like throwing darts at a dart board...maybe one of them will hit right? LOL...:rolleyes:
The difference here is scientists use past events IN-CONTEXT. What you are trying to do is relate two completely unrelated events, with completely unrelated participants, to justify a completely unproven thesis. Additionally, in legal terms, precedence is what is most important if you're going to use past events. As I stated before, and which you and friends aren't capable accepting or refuting, is that there is a precedence for the US government's inability to keep a secret. While there is ZERO precedence for the US government killing thousands of its own citizens so it can implement some lofty policy goal, AND keep the plot absolutely secret. It's a fantasy. A religion. And Alex Jones is your messiah.
I explain science as a process of repeating experiments whose results are published in peer-reviewed publications. How pathetic none of you 9/11 truthers can point to a single peer-reviewed published research supporting anything in the 9/11 conspiracy religion. Unless of course you create your own fraud of a research journal...:haha: :haha: |
You answered my retarded questions??? Where I haven't seen the answers, all you did was repost what I quoted and stated.
And hey who shot kennedy??? Oh yea the truth has come out 100% on that too right???
The funny this is that history has pointed to corrupt and lieing presidents, and high ranking officials in the U/S Gov't for decades, and that not everything they say is the truth.
Yet for the most catastrophic attack on american soil everyone wants to 100% believe what the Gov't has told them is the truth.
Now that is just pathetic |
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| love_child |
| Only the maker can make the shoes. Only the wearer can tell if they fit. One does not need to know the complete story of 911 to say that the official story is a lie, just as a defense attorney need not know who killed a murder victim... to defend his client. |
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| culorut |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
...and the stupid never ends :stongue: |
Stupid is defending the official account(s) of the 9/11 events from the same people that lied to everyone about WMD's in Iraq and just about everything else they spoke of when they opened their mouths during, before and after their run in office.
Steel framed buildings do not blow up and collapse at practically the rate of free fall because of fires. Never in the history of mankind before or after 9/11.
The 9/11 commission was a wash, evidence was completely withheld which included roughly 500 testimonies from rescue workers, firefighters and victims (the people actually there on 9/11). WTC building 7 was completely left out as well, great job they did on a full criminal investigation. A 47 story tall building that blew up in the heart of ground zero apparently was not worth mentioning in the 600 page report.
http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf
The NIST WTC building 7 wash report took 7-8 years to be released. Evidence was once again withheld and what was reported was greatly exaggerated in order to support the conclusion that WTC building 7 fell at practically free fall speed due to fires. Again impossible.
The only reason it took NIST 7-8 years is because it takes 7-8 years to write and come up with all of that bull which was ripped apart in less then 24 hours from the reports release date to the public.
By all means don't be logical and look into the people who made billions from the wars that proceeded, suspicious insurance policy's and put options on the same airline companies that evidently crashed into their targets just hours/days later (all coincidentally of course).
Especially do not look at the PNAC document titled "Rebuilding America's Defenses". Written up well before 9/11 and by no other then the same handful of lying criminals (coincidentally) stating they needed a new Pearl Harbor staged event in order to justify a war in order to secure American policy overseas.
http://www.newamericancentury.org/R...casDefenses.pdf
Ignore reality, pay no attention to withheld evidence, do not use logic. Use made up theories in order to defy the laws of physics, place trust in exaggerated figures to support the phony officially labeled "official story" from liars instead.
Most of all forget this post ever existed. Come out and troll on an internet forum instead, bash people after you are done playing video games and pretend to know what you speak of when really you know nothing on the subject you speak of.
Stupid. |
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| Comrade Stalin |
| quote: | Originally posted by shagnew13
You answered my retarded questions??? Where I haven't seen the answers, all you did was repost what I quoted and stated. |
Here you go.
Just in case you forgot...AGAIN
| quote: | Originally posted by shagnew13
Because it goes higher then the U/S Gov't. And only a handful of Officials were involved, and 2 of the Whistleblowers were killed or passed away. Coincidence? |
So the US government really wasn't responsible, just an un-named, super-secret, super-high level, group of really rich dude right? And these super-evil guys planted several thousand tonnes of explosives super-secretly, all by themselves, right? :rolleyes:
| quote: | | It has been stated that a week before the attacks agents and security were pulled from the building, and I believe they had also switched Security companies. hmmmm |
"It has been stated"? Thanks, that explains everything.:rolleyes:
| quote: | | The U/S Gov't can't plant evidence? They tried to help Cuban exiles overthrow Fidel in Cuba, and quickly after the attacks the U/S was in a war on Terrism in Afghan and later on Iraq. |
Two logical fallacies. #1, using past completely unrelated events, as evidence of a supposed conspiracy. #2, you have ZERO evidence the US planted false intelligence.
| quote: | | Do you really think the Gov't wants to come out and say they were behind the attacks or anything to leak? It would cripple both Bush Administrations, and would cripple the faith that the U/S people still cling to in their own government. Bush's father failed in Iraq and getting Saddam, and this time around the Son finished the Job. Yes it was a huge tragedy and loss of American lives, just like the Wars in Iraq and Afghan have been, but it was to finish what his father couldn't. |
If the Pentagon can't prevent 92,000 top secret documents from being published by Wikileaks, or the 7,000 page Pentagon Papers from being published by the New York Times, what makes you think the US government could keep a supposed secret of this magnitude secret? Given the fact that killing 3,000 people like this would have to involve hundreds of participants. Additionally, you nor any other truther, have even attempted to name any participants in the plot, with details of their involvment, other than "Bush did it".
| quote: | | And hey who shot kennedy??? Oh yea the truth has come out 100% on that too right??? |
That has NOTHING to do with what we're talking about. Jesus Christ, if you can't prove your point, start posting random completely unrelated bull right?
| quote: | The funny this is that history has pointed to corrupt and lieing presidents, and high ranking officials in the U/S Gov't for decades, and that not everything they say is the truth.
Yet for the most catastrophic attack on american soil everyone wants to 100% believe what the Gov't has told them is the truth.
Now that is just pathetic |
Again, there is ZERO precedent for the US government murdering thousands of its own citizens. Nobody ever said our government were cute little angels, but FFS, get real dude...:rolleyes: |
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