WTC building 7 had no army dropping bombs from the sky on it, it did have much better construction, it also had firefighters trying to put out the office fires for most of the day but yet imploded exactly like what you see in a controlled demolition.
Controlled demolition is needed in order to bring buildings down in this fashion and controlled demolition only.
I read through the complete link you partially quoted and the author directly referenced (incorrectly I might add) that WTC building 7 sustained major damage from debris which is a complete falsehood.
NIST themselves had to go back on the same exact point as later evidence of WTC building 7 was released through the FOIA and suggested completely otherwise.
Pleased that you took the time to read the link provided.
I'd appreciate a link to your reference that NIST retracted their point. (I googled a bit but could not find it myself). Here are some links I did find.
The collapse of WTC 7 has been a source of extensive speculation. No planes hit the building. There was damage to the building from the collapse of World Trade Center Tower 1, which was about 370 feet to the south. Here you can see the location of WTC 7 on a map. But despite damage that severed seven exterior columns, Building 7 remained standing.
and you know what's ing funny? here is the result of a poll written by truthers distributed to truthers.
quote:
77. Please name the three theories promoted by TM members that you think have been most damaging in terms of public perception of the movement. Rank them from most to least damaging.
1) No plane at Pentagon, 39%
2) No planes at WTC, 32%
3) Pod theory, 14%
even those that would take the time to complete a truther quiz think these ideas are retarded. yet there are people in here i used to have respect for that seem to think its possible to pretend to hundreds of witnesses and investigators that a plane crashed into the pentagon, even though it didn't.
absurd.
i mean , we have full colour, video footage of the wtc planes hitting, yet there are still people that think that footage is fake. nothing is good enough for these people. no amount of evidence will ever be enough. they believe whatever they want to believe. mostly because they're wankers.
gummybear
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
and you know what's ing funny? here is the result of a poll written by truthers distributed to truthers.
even those that would take the time to complete a truther quiz think these ideas are retarded. yet there are people in here i used to have respect for that seem to think its possible to pretend to hundreds of witnesses and investigators that a plane crashed into the pentagon, even though it didn't.
absurd.
i mean , we have full colour, video footage of the wtc planes hitting, yet there are still people that think that footage is fake. nothing is good enough for these people. no amount of evidence will ever be enough. they believe whatever they want to believe. mostly because they're wankers.
Don't you have your own sub forum to spread hate on? Did you even read Yankee Baby's post? We get it, you don't agree..that's fine but do you have to call people names and insult them in every post? Just leave it alone, go take a chill pill and pay someone to suck you off or something so you can release some of your anger..sheesh.
pkcRAISTLIN
no. you guys.
Spam
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Originally posted by gummybear
Don't you have your own sub forum to spread hate on? Did you even read Yankee Baby's post? We get it, you don't agree..that's fine but do you have to call people names and insult them in every post?
LOL.
If the shoe fits....
love_child
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
no. you guys.
Why are you so angry ? :whip:
Someone needs a hug
gummybear
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Spam
LOL.
If the shoe fits.... /QUOTE]
Haha.....you make joke.
This whole thread is full of people screaming about substantiated evidence but labels like imbecile, idiot, retard, moron and much more, seem to be used when describing people, solely based on the fact that they don't subscribe to your train of thought..
I would need much more peer reviewed evidence before I start labeling people with such negative traits...
So, no bud, the shoe doesn't fit...:D
Comrade Stalin
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Originally posted by gummybear
I would need much more peer reviewed evidence before I start labeling people with such negative traits...
So, no bud, the shoe doesn't fit...:D
Does it bother you there hasn't been one single documentation of any substantiated claims made by any 9/11 conspiracy theorist in any reputable peer-reviewed journal after 9 years? Meanwhile, the "evil government cover-up" has document after document published in professional journal after journal, with eye-witness after eye-witness, substantiating this line of reasoning. How much peer-reviewed research do you need before you abandon the 9/11 truth religion? 10 documents? 100? 1000? Have you even contemplated the stark implausibility of a 9/11 conspiracy. I posted plenty of logical gaps for you to wrap your mind around. Did you? I even numbered them to make them plain as day. Asked, challenged, demanded that you or any of you accept these gaps or try to answer to them. I got nothing. So in the end, all I can conclude is, trying to reason with a die-hard 9/11 truther is like talking to a brick wall.
Joss Weatherby
I bet these same truthers believe in god too... :stongue:
Fledz
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Originally posted by geroin
if you take a look there are 2 police officers WHO SWORE by their words and said they would say the same under the court of law that the plane traveled in different direction.
Apparently no one has ever lied in a court of law or when swearing on their mother/child/dog because almighty God would smite them instantly with a thunderbolt, such is the fear humanity has and would certainly never ever lie.
Nor is there a condition such as trauma/stress/shell-shock where a persons recollection is practically useless.
:stongue:
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Originally posted by exraver
"Why of course the people don't want war ... But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship ... Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger." — Hermann Goering, Nazi leader, at the Nuremberg Trials after World War II
I think you've been playing too much Call of Duty - Modern Warfare 2.
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Originally posted by yankeeBaby
Do we really need to continue to discuss this? Neither side is giving in, and, while I think it is extremely important for people to question things, I think this discussion being started on 9/11, as well as the pictures being posted are just a bit too much at this point.
I am not posting this to take sides, but, as a New Yorker, I cant tell you how horrifying it was for our city to see such things as people jumping out of the buildings and being crushed by the structures. When I am reminded, the sadness still weighs in my heart so deeply, as I do love my city and the people in it with every fiber of my being. Even though I wasnt in the buildings, I felt like someone had attacked my home and family....
I understand that most people feel a similar sadness as I do, even from countries afar, but I still felt compelled to write this. Some people have visited and taken their pictures, but when its your own city tumbling to the ground, when you see FIRSTHAND, the people of New York; the days following, and the sadness in their eyes, it is nothing I can ever explain.....and nothing that can ever be relayed to the people watching it on TV :( :( :( And to know personally, people who's lives were lost just makes it that much more devastating :( :( :(
It was a terrible day, but, I *choose* to remember, and I *choose* to question....but I also choose to RESPECT and know when enough if enough. We can not forget that while this is a political subject, its also an emotional one.
I have read most of this thread and people make points on both sides, but I think it is really time to wrap it up.....Its damn near October anyways, and no one has gotten anywhere in this discussion, so hopefully I wont be ignored *too* much ;) :)
I don't agree with this viewpoint. I sympathise, but I don't agree.
If you bury your head in the sand, then humanity struggles to move forward.
The more knowledge we have, the better it is for everyone in the long run. While it's not ideal that it was started around the time of 11/9, what exactly did you expect? I find it hard to believe that anyone can be naive enough to expect flowers and rainbows, especially when such absurd and astonishingly idiotic people like the "truthers" in this thread still exist.
A lot of us have been through pain and suffering, it's not exclusive to just New York city and the Pentagon. Some of us have been through wars which are far worse. It's not the total number of deaths that counts. Burying your head in the sand, no matter how hard it may be to resist, helps nobody.
Also what's worse is, you now give these idiots a convenient escape route away from the conversation because they can just claim we're upsetting people and we should end it at that.
Exhibit A:
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Originally posted by gummybear
Don't you have your own sub forum to spread hate on? Did you even read Yankee Baby's post? We get it, you don't agree..that's fine but do you have to call people names and insult them in every post? Just leave it alone, go take a chill pill and pay someone to suck you off or something so you can release some of your anger..sheesh.
culorut
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Originally posted by Zentac_75
Pleased that you took the time to read the link provided.
I'd appreciate a link to your reference that NIST retracted their point. (I googled a bit but could not find it myself). Here are some links I did find.
The collapse of WTC 7 has been a source of extensive speculation. No planes hit the building. There was damage to the building from the collapse of World Trade Center Tower 1, which was about 370 feet to the south. Here you can see the location of WTC 7 on a map. But despite damage that severed seven exterior columns, Building 7 remained standing.
Ah the ever so famous Popular Mechanics quote that they (and only them along with NIST) have seen the infamous picture that showed this 25% scoop missing from WTC building 7.
With no one else in the world ever seeing this mysterious picture it would make stating there was a 25% scoop or damage to the building that much easier. The picture they did publish is very interesting though, mostly because it has been studied and shows otherwise.
It was compared to other pictures from the earlier FEMA report and a couple of more pictures captured by other people on 9/11.
At best I give WTC building 7 a 10% loss. Even if it was a 25% loss as claimed by the official story WTC building 7 would have not collapsed symmetrically at practically the speed of free fall.
NIST exaggerated the fires, amount of fuel consumed from the tanks, provided no proper evidence to support their claims and certainly left out tons of information which tells a much different story then what the public was told.
culorut
Over 500 Testimonies Left Out Of The 9/11 Commission Report
Firefighters, Paramedics, Policemen and Victims all contradict the official story.
It took a few years but eventually the oral histories were released, long enough to keep it suppressed and completely out of the official fairy tale story.
Should we believe the hundreds of people who were actually present on 9/11 (left out conveniently from the official report) or the lying of a president and the rest of his criminal office because they put their stamp/seal of approval on their lies?
