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9/11 RIP to the Fallen & F*CK the US GOV (pg. 44)
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| quote: | Originally posted by exraver
Fair enough, usual BS, when you have nothing to say.
Explain me this, same Boeings crashing in WTC, taking whole thing down, and pentagon, there's barely any damage at all?
You can see intact windows, for god's sake.
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Where the is the plane FFS? how can there be no remains? did the plane just vaporized?:o |
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| geroin |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
Where the is the plane FFS? how can there be no remains? did the plane just vaporized?:o |
you didn't see it? it's right here man!!
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| exraver |
Overview of New 9/11 Research
1. The impact of planes cannot have caused enough damage to bring the buildings down, since the buildings were designed to withstand them (as Frank DeMartini, the project manager, has observed), the planes alleged to have hit were similar to those they were designed to withstand, and the buildings continued to stand after those impacts with negligible effects.
2. Most of the jet fuel, principally kerosene, burned up in those fireballs in the first fifteen seconds or so. Below the 96th floor in the North Tower and the 80th in the South, those buildings were stone cold steel, unaffected by any fires at all other than some very modest office fires that burned around 500 degrees F, which functioned as a massive heat sink dissipating the heat from building up on the steel.
3. The melting point of steel at 2,800 degrees F is about 1,000 degrees higher than the maximum burning temperature of jet-fuel-based fires, which do not exceed 1,800 degrees under optimal conditions; but the NIST examined 236 samples of steel and found that 233 had not been exposed to temperatures above 500 degrees F and the others not above 1200.
4. Underwriters Laboratory certified the steel in the buildings up to 2,000 degrees F for three or four hours without any significant effects, where these fires burned neither long enough or hot enough—at an average temperature of about 500 degrees for about one hour in the South Tower and one and a half in the North—to weaken, much less melt.
5. If the steel had melted or weakened, then the affected floors would have displayed completely different behavior, with some degree of asymmetrical sagging and tilting, which would have been gradual and slow, not the complete, abrupt and total demolition that was observed. Which means the NIST cannot even explain the initiation of any “collapse” sequence.
6. The top 30 floors of the South Tower pivoted and began to fall to the side, when the floors beneath gave way. So it was not even in the position to exert downward pressure on the lower 80 floors. A high-school physics teacher, Charles Boldwyn, moreover, has calculated that, if you take the top 16 floors of the North Tower as one unit of downward force, there were 199 units of upward force to counteract it.
7. William Rodriguez, who was the senior custodian in the North Tower and the last man to leave the building, has reported massive explosions in the sub-basements that effected extensive destruction, including the demolition of a fifty-ton hydraulic press and the ripping of the skin off a fellow worker, where they filled with water that drained the sprinkler system.
8. Rodriguez observed that the explosion occurred prior to reverberations from upper floors, a claim that has now been substantiated in a new study by Craig Furlong and Gordon Ross, “Seismic Proof: 9/11 Was an Inside Job,” demonstrating that these explosions actually took place as much as 14 and 17 seconds before the presumptive airplane impacts.
9. Heavy-steel-construction buildings like the Twin Towers are not generally capable of “pancake collapse,” which normally occurs only with concrete structures of “lift slab” construction and could not occur in redundant welded-steel buildings, such as the towers, unless every supporting column were removed at the same time, floor by floor, as Charles Pegelow, a structural engineer, has observed.
10. The demolition of the two towers in about 10 seconds apiece is very close to the speed of free fall with only air resistance, which Judy Wood, Ph.D., formerly a professor of mechanical engineering, has observed is an astounding result that would be impossible without extremely powerful sources of energy. If they were collapsing, they would have had to fall through their points of greatest resistance.
11. Indeed, the towers are exploding from the top, not collapsing to the ground, where their floors do not move, a phenomenon Wood has likened to two gigantic trees turning to sawdust from the top down, which, like the pulverization of the buildings, the government’s account cannot possibly explain. There were no pancakes.
12. WTC-7 came down in a classic controlled demolition at 5:20 PM after Larry Silverstein suggested the best thing to do might be to “pull it,” displaying all the characteristics of classic controlled demolitions: a complete, abrupt and total collapse into its own footprint, where the floors are all falling at the same time, yielding a stack of pancakes about 5 floors high.
13. Had the Twin Towers collapsed like WTC-7, there would have been two stacks of "pancakes" equal to about 12% the height of the buildings or around 15 floors high. But they were actually reduced to below ground level. Since there were no "pancakes", there cannot have been any "pancake collapse" of either building, where the buildings were destoryed by different modes of demolition.
14. The hit point at the Pentagon was too small to accommodate a 100-ton airliner with a 125-foot wingspan and a tail that stands 44-feet above the ground; the debris was wrong for a Boeing 757: no wings, no fuselage, no seats, no bodies, no luggage, no tail! Not even the engines were recovered, which means that the official account is not true.
15. The Pentagon’s own videotapes do not show a Boeing 757 hitting the building, as even Bill O’Reilly admitted when one was shown on “The O’Reilly Factor”; at 155 feet, the plane was more than twice as long as the 77-foot Pentagon is high and should have been present and easily visible; it was not, which means that the video evidence also contradicts the official account.
16. The aerodynamics of flight would have made the official trajectory—flying at high speed barely above ground level—physically impossible, because a Boeing 757 flying over 500 mph could not have come closer than about 60 feet of the ground, which means that the official account is not even aerodynamically possible.
17. Data from a flight recorder provided to Pilots for 9/11 Truth by the National Transportation Safety Board corresponds to a plane with a different approach and altitude, which would have precluded its hitting lampposts or even the building itself, which means that, if this data corresponds to a Boeing 757, it would have flown over the Pentagon rather than hit it.
18. If Flight 93 crashed into an abandoned mine shaft, as the government maintains, then they should have brought out the heavy equipment and the bright lights and dug and dug, 24/7, in the hope that, by some miracle, someone might possibly have survived. But nothing like that was done. Even the singed trees and shrubs were trimmed, apparently to make it impossible to subject them to chemical analysis.
19. There is more, especially about the alleged hijackers, including that they were not competent to fly these planes and their names are not on any original, authenticated passenger manifest. Several have turned up alive and well and living in the Middle East. The government has not even produced their tickets as evidence that they were even aboard the aircraft they are alleged to have hijacked. Did Osama call from a cave in Afghanistan and charge them to his MasterCard?
20. President Bush recently acknowledged that Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11. The Senate Intelligence Committee has reported that Saddam was not in cahoots with Al Qaeda. And the FBI has acknowledged that it has “no hard evidence” to tie Osama to 9/11. If Saddam did not do it and Osama did not do it, then who is responsible for the death of 3,000 citizens that day?
We believe that it is the highest form of respect to those who died on 9/11 and their survivors to establish how and why they died, which our own government manifestly has not done. With the American media under the thumb of a corrupt administration, we cannot count on the press to perform its investigative function. But we can do our best to expose falsehoods and reveal truths about 9/11.
Do you think it's more basement dwellers looking for 9/11 truth?
Here's full list of people who didn't believe US gov:
http://twilightpines.com//index.php...id=37&Itemid=35 |
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Michael M. Andregg (FM)
Domestic intelligence, Justice and Peace Studies, St. Thomas University, St. Paul, MN
Mark Bamberger, Ph.D. (FM)
Professor of Geology and Environmental Sciences, Miami University and Capital University
Kevin Barrett (FM)
Folklore, UW-Madison; Director, Khidria, Inc.; Founding Member, Muslim-Jewish-Christian Alliance for 9/11 Truth, mujca.com
Philip J. Berg, Esq. (FM)
Attorney at Law, Former Deputy Attorney General, former candidate for Governor, Lt. Governor, and U.S. Senate from Pennsylvania, whose website, 911forthetruth.com, covers the RICO lawsuit that is pending against Bush, Cheney and 53 other Defendantsin Federal Court, Southern District of New York
Tracy Blevins (FM)
Bioengineering, Rice University
Robert M. Bowman (FM)
Former Director of the U.S. "Star Wars" Space Defense Programin both Republican and Democratic administrations, and a former Air ForceLieutenant Colonel with 101 combat missions
Robert S. Boyer (FM)
Philosophy; Mathematics; Computer Science; University of Texas,Austin
Clare Brandabur (FM)
Assistant Professor of English Literature at Dogus University in Istanbul
Joseph G. Buchman, Ph.D. (FM)
Associate Professor of Marketing, Adams State College
Andreas von Buelow (FM)
Former assistant German defense minister, director of the GermanSecret Service, minister for research and technology, and member of Parliamentfor 25 years
Don Bustion (FM)
Attorney, Adjunct Professor, Southern Arkansas University
John Bylsma (FM)
French language and culture
William A. Cook (FM)
Professor of English, University of La Verne, Author of "Tracking Deception: Bush Mid-East Policy"
Richard Curtis (FM)
Dr. Curtis is an Adjunct Professor of Philosophy at several Seattle area colleges.
Davidsson, Elias (FM)
9/11 investigator
Human Rights Activist
International Affairs
Public International Law
Joseph Diaferia (FM)
Political Science and History, State University and City University,New York
Albert Dragstedt (FM)
Classics and Philosophy, St. Mary's College, Oakland, CA
Mike Earl-Taylor (FM)
Criminal Profiling, Investigative and Forensic Psychology,Rhodes University, South Africa
Ted Elden (FM)
Architect, Communicator
Constance Eichenlaub (FM)
Classical Languages
Comparative Literature
James H. Fetzer (FM)
Distinguished McKnight University Professor of Philosophy at the University of Minnesota, Duluth, a former Marine Corps officer, author or editor of more than 20 books, and founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth
Marcus Ford (FM)
Humanities, NAU
Ruth Frankenberg (FM)
American Studies, Cultural Studies, Author of four books
Paul D. Haemig, Ph.D. (FM)
Department of Biology and Environment, Kalmar University, Sweden
Bill Hammel (FM)
Ph.D. Physics at U. Wisconsin, Milwaukee (ret.)
Bruce R. Henry (FM)
Mathematics, Worcester State College
James Hill (FM)
Intellectual property attorney, Radiology, USC School of Medicine
Joel S. Hirschhorn (FM)
Metallurgical Engineering
Materials Engineering
Environmental Education
Political Analysis
Public Policy
Jim Hogue (FM)
MS Theatre, Taught at Community College of Vermont
Robert G. Horn (FM)
Former full-time faculty Department of Pathology, at Vanderbilt University School of Medicine
Charles Hux (FM)
Associate Professor, Robert Wood Johnson Medical School
Mehmet Inan (FM)
Electronics
Industrial Engineering
Don "Four Arrows" Jacobs (FM)
Former Dean of Education, Oglala Lakota College and currently professor of educational leadership at Fielding Graduate University and at Northern Arizona University
Aaron Jones (FM)
Computer Engineering at The University of Illinois - Chicago
Michael Keefer (FM)
English and theatre, University of Guelph
Stephen F. LeRoy (FM)
Professor of Economics, University of California, Santa Barbara
Davidson Loehr (FM)
Theology; Philosophy of science; Philosophy of religion
Catherine Lowther (FM)
Goddard College
Jim Marrs (FM)
Author, Researcher, 9/11, JFK, more
Richard McGinn (FM)
Associate Professor Emeritus of Linguistics and Southeast AsianStudies, Ohio University. Former chair of Linguistics (10 years) and Directorof Southeast Asian Studies (4 years) at Ohio University
John McMurtry, Ph.D. (FM)
Professor of Philosophy, University Professor Emeritus Elect,University of Guelph, Fellow of the Royal Society of Canada, and the authorof six books dealing with public policy issues
Scott Meredith (FM)
Oriental languages; Theoretical linguistics; Computationallinguistics
Robert Merrill (FM)
Literature and Humanities; Maryland Institute College of Art;Editor, Maisonneuve Press
Donald C. Meserlian (FM)
Forensic engineering
Mechanical engineering
Citizens' Commission Report on 9/11
Ted Micceri (FM)
Statistical Research, Planning and Analysis, University ofSouth Florida
Raymond Munro (FM)
Professor of Theatre, Clark University
Richard C. Murray (FM)
Sociology, George Williams College, Downers Grove, Illinois
Jesus Nieto (FM)
College of Education, San Diego State University
Daniel Orr (FM)
Professor Emeritus, Department of Economics, University ofIllinois
Matthew Orr (FM)
Population Biology, Evolution and Ecology, University of Oregon"Is the War on Terror Fraudulent?"
John Pepper (FM)
Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, University of Arizona
Dale Allen Pfeiffer (FM)
Novelist
Geologist
Science Journalist
Joseph M. Phelps (FM)
MS, PE. Structural Dynamicist (ret.), Charter Member, Structural Engineering Institute of the American Society of Civil Engineers
Jean-Pierre Petit (FM)
Aeronautics, astrophysics, engineering
Diana Ralph (FM)
Associate Professor Carleton University School of Social Work.Author of Work and Madness: The Rise of Community Psychiatry
Joseph Raso (FM)
Political Science, Comparative and International Politics,State-sponsored terrorism, resourcespc.org
Morgan Reynolds (FM)
Professor of Economics Emeritus, Texas A&M University; former Chief Economist,
Department of Labor, Bush Administration; Director of the Criminal Justice
Center and Senior Fellow at the National Center for Policy Analysis, Dallas
Gera Rosy (FM)
Sociology, taught at University of Texas at El Paso and Metropolitan State College in Denver
Christian Schladetsch (FM)
Computer scientist, simulation systems; Lectured at Univ of Queensland
James G. Smart, Ph.D. (FM)
U. S. History Asst. Prof., University of Chattanooga, TN then Assoc Prof, Professor, Keene State College, Keene, NH (now Prof. emeritus)
Kenneth Sowden (FM)
Mathematics, West Hills Community College
David Sprintzen (FM)
Professor Emeritus of Philosophy, Long Island Progressive Coalition, Citizen Action of New York
Morgan Stack (FM)
Accounting, Finance & Information Systems, University College Cork (UCC), Ireland. Co-founder of the Irish 9/11 Truth Movement
Robert J. Stern (FM)
Associate Prof. of Mathematics, Pellissippi State Technical Community College
Webster Griffin Tarpley (FM)
President, Washington Grove Institute Government-sponsoredterror, Author, "9/11 Synthetic Terror"
Martin Walter (FM)
Professor, Mathematics, University of Colorado at Boulder
Richard Welser (FM)
Psychology, Neuropsychology, Philosophy of Science
Grant Williams (FM)
Commercial construction with emphasis on seismic and structural engineering
Gerhard Wisnewski (FM)
Political scientist; Author of "Das RAF-Phantom", "Operation 9/11", "Aktenzeichen 11.9. ungeloest" (Case 9/11 Unsolved), "Mythos 9/11" and (forthcoming), "Verschlusssache Terror" (The secret files of terror)
William Woodward (FM)
Psychology, Political Psychology, University of New Hampshire
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| exraver |
Gera, what's a point?
Barany takie barany :) |
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| love_child |
| quote: | Originally posted by exraver
Gera, what's a point?
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They are still plugged in :haha: |
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| gummybear |
| quote: | Originally posted by exraver
Gera, what's a point?
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OMG..lol! |
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| Comrade Stalin |
| quote: | Originally posted by shagnew13
Result to name calling again hahaha
I never said JFK's assassination had anything to do with 9/11, I used it in context with how the Gov't has lied, and to not believe everything they say.
But if you want to use it out of context, then go ahead.
There are questions to be answered and it is perfectly reasonable to ask those questions. And that will continue until there is an adequate investigation done and not a botched and mis-informed one done by NIST sorry to say. |
I never said believe everything the government says. It's easy to argue when you can twist my words to suit your own ideology, right? It would help if you could apply the same standard you're thrusting upon me (even though I don't believe 100% of whatever the government says), and apply it to yourself in regards to what a 9/11 truther website tells you.
And by the way, I used to be on the 9/11 truth side, believing the Federal Reserve was unconstitutionally robbing America, etc. I can confidently say I really have looked at both sides of the argument because I used to be on the other side of the argument. So really, you can off if you want to regurgitate the non-argument that I believe whatever the government tells me without question. |
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| quote: | | The impact of planes cannot have caused enough damage to bring the buildings down, since the buildings were designed to withstand them (as Frank DeMartini, the project manager, has observed), the planes alleged to have hit were similar to those they were designed to withstand, and the buildings continued to stand after those impacts with negligible effects. |
The Titanic was also built to be unsinkable. So ing what? Just because engineers design a building to be a certain way, doesn't make it is so.
Exraver, I challenge you address any one of my points.
*Given that the US government is behind the 9/11 plot...
1) Why hasn't just one person in a conspiracy that would have to involve hundreds, not come forward, even anonymously to the press, to expose everything?
2) How could thousands of tonnes of explosives be set in three different high-rise building without anyone noticing?
3) If the US government is behind the 9/11 plot, why were foreign intelligence warnings in reference to an Al-Qaeda plots to use planes as missiles?
4) If the US government is capable of killing 3000 of its own citizens and plant thousands of tonnes of explosives in 3 huge high-rise buildings and lie about it with a straight face with no whistleblowers, then why wouldn't they also plant WMDs in Iraq and lie about finding them? |
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| exraver |
As I was saying 12 pages before, I don't give a about who did this.
Could be CIA, FBI, some bearded dude from a cave in Afghanistan using his VISA, hippies, aliens, KGB etc.
All I'm saying is, this is too good to be true, and there's some many shady moments, it stinks as a big pile of crap.
Look, 9 years passed, millions more of muslims are killed as a result of 9/11, and so-called arab terrorists, who were so efficient on 9/11, the best they can come up with right now is shoe bomber or underwear bomber?
Give me a break man, 19 people stealing 4 planes and bomb in underwear? |
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