Originally posted by culorut
Rational thinking requires an individual not to believe anything proven liars say. For 9/11 it was the GOP or US government at the time.
PKC and you Comrade do not possess this trait, case in point.
Yes the government ed up, they got caught in their lies and deceit (WMD's/Iraq included). The writing has been on the wall from day one, you don't lie unless you are hiding reality or truth. It was not that they ed up, they needed 9/11 to happen to carry out their agenda and did nothing but lie to cover it up.
You seem to place a lot of faith and give a handful of so called (bogus) terrorists too much credit in bringing down a whole nation. They pulled off something that could have only been done with inside help and knowledge.
A crime so terrible will convince a nation to go to war, 9/11 and the WMD's in Iraq are perfect examples of the lies that once convinced the people.
It does not have to be a very highly educated person to determine the ridiculous nature of the Offical report on 911. Even several Commissioners who produced that report are having second thoughts on it accuracy. There are Senators, generals and the people who built WTC in the first place who do not accept the findings of the 911 commission. I was trained in mechanical engineering, and have spent some time working at the high furnace in Newcastle, I know that the bull they peddle about kerosene melting steel is just bunkum, impossible and could never happen. The place was blown up the planes were used as a distraction to draw attention from the real reason of the WTC's falling down like a rock.
ChemEnhanced
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Originally posted by hardcore trancer
I would like to hear some scientific explanation on how this building went down the way it did without the stupid name callings for once.
every single conspiracy theory has been debunked so why people continue to hold on to very tiny nuggets of information and blow them out of proportion is beyond me.
Silky Johnson
Welp, there's only one way to end this debate: it has to be recreated/tested on Mythbusters. Why they haven't already done this I don't know. :o
culorut
LOL, the USA had no idea what was going to happen.
:rolleyes:
Countless specific pre-warnings from multiple intelligence agencies around the globe.
Originally posted by jennypie
Welp, there's only one way to end this debate: it has to be recreated/tested on Mythbusters. Why they haven't already done this I don't know. :o
Silky Johnson
Darn. :/
hardcore trancer
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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
every single conspiracy theory has been debunked so why people continue to hold on to very tiny nuggets of information and blow them out of proportion is beyond me.
Thanks for the video and I do have a question though, If you look at the video that you posted and go to 3:10 of the video you'll notice the building collapses vertically and doesn’t move side to side.
My question is if the building is damaged from all sides like the video says it was then how could it just go down the way it did? Wouldn’t fall in all direction? I’m not suggesting that there were explosions there but I just can’t see how it could just fell in a perfect vertical way.
ChemEnhanced
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Originally posted by hardcore trancer
Thanks for the video and I do have a question though, If you look at the video that you posted and go to 3:10 of the video you'll notice the building collapses vertically and doesn’t move side to side.
My question is if the building is damaged from all sides like the video says it was then how could it just go down the way it did? Wouldn’t fall in all direction? I’m not suggesting that there were explosions there but I just can’t see how it could just fell in a perfect vertical way.
the building is designed to collapse inward
culorut
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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced every single conspiracy theory has been debunked so why people continue to hold on to very tiny nuggets of information and blow them out of proportion is beyond me.
The only conspiracy is that WTC building 7 collapsed due to fires and debris from WTC 1 and 2.
Not one steel framed building has collapsed due to fires in history yet we are to believe that on 9/11 it happened (mostly because they made things up to fit their story). Many buildings have burned longer with much more intense fires and have never come close to collapsing (or imploded in WTC building 7's case).
NIST themselves in their own report noted that WTC building 7 did not sustain major damage from debris at all, you can read their report right here.
Not sure where the author of the video that you posted up got that one from considering the debris from WTC 1 AND 2 would have had to pass straight through WTC 6 (yes the building itself) and across the street to make it to WTC 7. It's important to note that most of the fuel if not all of it was recovered from the two 12,000 gallon tanks as well.
Below is a proper debunk,
FEMA's report on WTC building 7 debunked properly, page by page.
Originally posted by culorut
Rational thinking requires an individual not to believe anything proven liars say. For 9/11 it was the GOP or US government at the time.
I'm sorry, who on the 9/11 commission or NIST or Popular Mechanics lied? I guess they're also in on the conspiracy huh?
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Yes the government ed up
Which explains why the government didn't exactly fully cooperate with the 9/11 commission.
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The writing has been on the wall from day one, you don't lie unless you are hiding reality or truth.
That's far too simplistic. The Bush Administration actually believed what they were saying. That's far from a coordinated premeditated conspiracy of lies in the furtherance of some goal.
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It was not that they ed up, they needed 9/11 to happen to carry out their agenda and did nothing but lie to cover it up.
Or they overreacted big time to 9/11 and played right into Osama bin Laden's hand. It's as simple as that. Oh, I forgot, Osama is a CIA operative...:rolleyes:
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You seem to place a lot of faith and give a handful of so called (bogus) terrorists too much credit in bringing down a whole nation. They pulled off something that could have only been done with inside help and knowledge.
And you in your infinite knowledge have all the answers huh?
“I predict a black day for the United States after which the United States will never be the same,” – Osama bin Laden, television interview 1998
Oh, I forgot again, Osama must be a CIA operative. Doh!
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A crime so terrible will convince a nation to go to war, 9/11 and the WMD's in Iraq are perfect examples of the lies that once convinced the people.
It's unfortunate that you make far more out of these events than they really are.
Comrade Stalin
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Originally posted by love_child
It does not have to be a very highly educated person to determine the ridiculous nature of the Offical report on 911. Even several Commissioners who produced that report are having second thoughts on it accuracy. There are Senators, generals and the people who built WTC in the first place who do not accept the findings of the 911 commission. I was trained in mechanical engineering, and have spent some time working at the high furnace in Newcastle, I know that the bull they peddle about kerosene melting steel is just bunkum, impossible and could never happen. The place was blown up the planes were used as a distraction to draw attention from the real reason of the WTC's falling down like a rock.
Too bad steel doesn't have to melt for the structure to fail. And you're a mechanical engineer? Looks like you need to go back to school.
Comrade Stalin
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Originally posted by culorut
LOL, the USA had no idea what was going to happen.
:rolleyes:
Countless specific pre-warnings from multiple intelligence agencies around the globe.
