|
How many of you take E? (pg. 3)
|
View this Thread in Original format
| Vivid Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by charmscars
*yawn* |
heres an e...run along lil kitty |
|
|
| starsearcher |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vivid Boy
heres an e...run along lil kitty |
:haha: :stongue: |
|
|
| Tordan |
| quote: | Originally posted by starsearcher
So...if drugs are bad...and we all know it of course...then why do people do them? Are they not happy with their life...do they need a substance to make them feel better, happier, more fun, more accepted...is it peer pressure and because everyone is doing it i don't want to feel left out...are they depressed and can't have a good time without drugs...Do they need to be "on something" to actually enjoy themselves...and if that's true, isn't that kind of sad? |
Most ppl who've never tried E talk like you do and those ppl shouldn't try it anyway. You need an open mind if you wanna try E. If not, you'll just freak out because it just amplifies how you're feeling. As for peer pressure... oh please, if you really don't wanna do it then you won't. It's that simple... I've met plenty of ppl who've been in the scene for a long time and never tried it. Yet they don't go around bitching and complaining about how bad it is. How can they? They don't know what it feels like. When it comes down to it, ppl who do E for the wrong reasons are the ones who end up regretting it and get nothing out of the experience. |
|
|
| starsearcher |
Well you may not feel peer pressure, others may not feel peer pressure...I don't feel it either but I know that many do...and not just E but other stuff as well especially for younger kids.
And I understand that it "amplifies" your experience...but to me it just seems unnatural that i need to put chems in my body so that I can have a better time. I have a great time as it is nad I really don't need any amplification.
Personally I believe in a healthy body and mind, and a good lifestyle - respecting your body. It's okay to do wild stuff once in a while but still i'm against them. Not to say that i'll hate you if you do them...it's just not for me
*EDIT*
I gotta say I'm a little surprised about the results of the poll by the way I kinda expected it to be much heavier towards the YES side :) |
|
|
| LittlePoonzgirl |
ok,in summary, some people like drugs and some people don't
Now Please can't we all just get along:gsmile: |
|
|
| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by djbruuen
wow, well right when i thought the EDM scene was starting to get a better name and more ppl were coming out for the music, i see like this...like honestly, are you guys in low life losers or what, that you'd risk your lives for a in high one nite, what the hell is wrong with any of the ppl here that take this crap? I guess i'm in the minority, but i'm one of the few that can go to guvernment and stay the whole nite and be completely clean and have the best nite never, i don't even need to drink or smoke.
i usually have to take some redbull though to keep me up. |
w0w0w0w0w, j00 are so cooooool that you can go to sardine can Guvernment and go the WHOLE ENTIRE NIGHT without taking any drugs! And you don't even need alcohol or smokes! Teach me master! Oh let me guess, you smoke cigarettes too?
Um yeah so, let's recap a few of these points in the vain hope of curing your raging and inflamed stupidity:
1. The probability of death from any "illicit" drug, ecstasy being quite low-risk compared to many in this category, is substantially smaller than the probability of being run over by a mack truck or picking up some form of cancer. It is also orders of magnitude lower than the probability of alcohol-related death, and death related to prescription drugs.
2. Nothing's wrong with the people that do it. In fact, I'd like to see any abstainer here tell the difference between someone who has never taken ecstasy, someone who takes it once in a blue moon, and someone who takes it every week. I'm placing all bets on the prediction that *virtually* nobody can tell without asking the question directly, which would put a serious dent in your claim that "the people you see doing it at clubs look like the biggest losers you've ever seen in your life". MDMA is not even chemically addictive, so you can't even identify addiction as a "problem".
3. You smoke weed all the time and used to be an alcoholic... no comment, other than "you must have smoked some BAD granola."
4. I can't recall even one time ever having been pressured into taking ecstasy by anyone I know. Part of that, I'm guessing, probably revolves around the fact that imposing one's will on others is damn near impossible while on a roll.
5. The people who take it, take it for fun, and probably don't give a flying what dumb s like you think about the subject.
To reiterate, it sounds like you're one of the braindead media children who believe everything they hear and actually buy into the story that a single ecstasy pill is, by itself, dangerous enough to kill someone. Nearly every single ecstasy-related death is either hyperthermia, hyponaetremia, interaction with a lot of alcohol or other drugs (usually leading to one of the first two situations), or some sort of congenital disease or disorder that might just as easily have been brought about by a prescription drug or a glop of peanut butter. Except for the congenital problems, all of those other issues can be prevented with a modicum of education.
Grow up, smarten up, and try to understand that you're talking about the very drug that has shaped the EDM scene for the past few decades. |
|
|
| Fin.K.L |
I never felt taking E is a risk or bad to myself or to others...
It's just like driving. (to me at least)
While I drive my car I can have a car accident or I can run into trouble...
but,
I normally don't feel driving is dangerous or a risk. ;) |
|
|
| Sly_Guy |
Actually, this is the most respectful conversation I've ever heard on the subject. I applaud you starsearcher, even tho I disagree with you. I really thought this was gonna break down into a pure flamer's thread.
Uhh, that's flamer in an angry way, not the slang for gay people.
As for long term effects of the drug, from what I read, the most major part of the german study [the only respected study on the effects of MDMA out there, as all others have been put forth by Americans with obvious flaws in their researching techniques because of a fundamentally insecure position held by their government, but I digress...] is that seratonin release and production in the brain is damaged in the process of the drug's use. However, studies in chimps, it has been observed that after moderate dosages [as would be seen in weekly recreational use] 6 months of abstinance allowed the chimps to gain back 95-98% of their original seratonin production and equilibrium levels. Secondly [although this part I did not read, but it is my educated hypothesis based on my knowledge of biochemistry] most of the 'high' of the use of e comes from the seratonin itself, as seratonin is known as the chemical the body produces and uses to create the mood of pleasure and happiness, while also being a nerve conductor. As a result, the sensitivity to touch and the good mood experienced while on e seems to be a result of a natural chemical and not the MDMA itself. MDMA facilitates the release of seratonin.
And as for bad experiences, those are almost exclusively a result of either doing far too much [a very scary sight, I've seen it] or getting a bad pill [seen that too, not so good either], where it's usually a flipped pill or has no MDMA or MDA in it. This is why I said that MDMA by itself is extremely unlikely to cause a bad or dangerous experience. Granted, there is the chance of buying bad stuff out there that can harm you, but as long as you buy off a regular source, or a person you trust, in my eyes it can be worth the risk. In fact, I've run into bad weed in my life and never bad e but it's never turned me off the weed.
And as for being unhappy and using drugs as an esacpe, or a need to do it to enjoy myself. Hell no, that's not me, like I said, I partied for a long time before trying it, and still go to most parties sober. The way I look at e is, a party is fun, but e can enhance the experience to make it more fun, the same way alcohol enhances the experience of going to a bar, or a top 40 club for most people. It's not necessary, but it's fun to indulge once in a while.
As for people depending on e or chemicals as a way to feel better about themselves. That is true, people do that, and it is sad. But that has everything to do with their reasons for doing it and it is not my reason.
As a result of all these factors summed together, came the reason to which I allowed myself to succumb to my curiousity, and I'm glad I did.
'I've never heard anyone who does coke say I'm a better person for having tried coke. I've never heard a haroine addict say I'm a better person for having done heroine. But there are a lot of people out there say I am a better person for trying exctasy'
-quote from ABC's exctasy rising special |
|
|
| DigiNut |
^^ that all sounds about right to me except I believe that a "moderate" dosage is once every 4-6 weeks. Once a week would be considered "frequent".
Of course that's not to say that 6 months off won't bring the body chemistry back to normal, but a truly moderate dosage shouldn't put it out of whack in the first place. :) |
|
|
| djbruuen |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
w0w0w0w0w, j00 are so cooooool that you can go to sardine can Guvernment and go the WHOLE ENTIRE NIGHT without taking any drugs! And you don't even need alcohol or smokes! Teach me master! Oh let me guess, you smoke cigarettes too?
Um yeah so, let's recap a few of these points in the vain hope of curing your raging and inflamed stupidity:
1. The probability of death from any "illicit" drug, ecstasy being quite low-risk compared to many in this category, is substantially smaller than the probability of being run over by a mack truck or picking up some form of cancer. It is also orders of magnitude lower than the probability of alcohol-related death, and death related to prescription drugs.
2. Nothing's wrong with the people that do it. In fact, I'd like to see any abstainer here tell the difference between someone who has never taken ecstasy, someone who takes it once in a blue moon, and someone who takes it every week. I'm placing all bets on the prediction that *virtually* nobody can tell without asking the question directly, which would put a serious dent in your claim that "the people you see doing it at clubs look like the biggest losers you've ever seen in your life". MDMA is not even chemically addictive, so you can't even identify addiction as a "problem".
3. You smoke weed all the time and used to be an alcoholic... no comment, other than "you must have smoked some BAD granola."
4. I can't recall even one time ever having been pressured into taking ecstasy by anyone I know. Part of that, I'm guessing, probably revolves around the fact that imposing one's will on others is damn near impossible while on a roll.
5. The people who take it, take it for fun, and probably don't give a flying what dumb s like you think about the subject.
To reiterate, it sounds like you're one of the braindead media children who believe everything they hear and actually buy into the story that a single ecstasy pill is, by itself, dangerous enough to kill someone. Nearly every single ecstasy-related death is either hyperthermia, hyponaetremia, interaction with a lot of alcohol or other drugs (usually leading to one of the first two situations), or some sort of congenital disease or disorder that might just as easily have been brought about by a prescription drug or a glop of peanut butter. Except for the congenital problems, all of those other issues can be prevented with a modicum of education.
Grow up, smarten up, and try to understand that you're talking about the very drug that has shaped the EDM scene for the past few decades. |
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH! now if that aight the biggest pile of crap i've ever read. Please don't make accusations about the type of person you THINK i am. Remember, this is a forum board. I'm just posting my views on the subject, which i apparently did not specify clearly enough for you to understand. to take you through the list:
1. As everyone knows, drugs are abused, and often they're mixed with alcohol and other things that can highten the chances of getting seriously ill. or even fatal read this article *CLICK*
btw. i'm also a university student who has written a report on the drug, i'm not just some MTV watcher believing everything i see (please don't assume , thats my biggest pet peeve on these boards) and yes methylenedioxymethamphetamine statisically caused 102 deaths from 1999-2001 in USA. to me, thats kinda high for something that can be prevented.
2. This comment comes from the ppl i see falling around and acting like complete idiots while i'm at a club. I have no comment on what these ppl are like outside of the club, but while they're on the drug they're making it hard for other ppl to enjoy themselves by getting in other ppls way and having no sense of what they're doing 'i don't define "loser" by physical appearence if thats what you assumed, i think what makes a loser is the negative actions of an individual"
3. I do not condone those actions in the past other then, we were all young right? we all do stupid things and thats how we learn. I don't drink often anymore and when i do, its usually at house parties, and can't even afford to drink at clubs with the alcohol prices they charge. The weed thing, i do it so sparingly its not even an issue. i think i've smoked weed maybe 2-3 times in all of 2004, not to condone that thats exceptable either, but i've done enough research on the drug to know it won't suck me in to bad habits, which it hasn't
4. i'm never been pressured about E, but i'm constantly asked for it or if i want it, and that gets old fast
5. the ppl who take it take it for fun??? and you're trying to sound smart in this post? ppl drive cars at 200km/h in 50 zones for fun, ppl play with fire for fun...but when that car runs over a kid on his bike, or a person gets there arm severly burned, its no longer "fun"
and yes, i do have a very good time at guvernment being completely clean of drugs, smokes and alcohol. because I LIKE THE MUSIC!!!!. as simple as that.
sly_guy, i enjoyed reading your last post and will agree on some of yourcomments. in most cases it won't be fatal, but its not something to be taken lightly. I'm really not trying to preach about how bad drugs are, theres enough commercials for that. i just wonder why its such a trend. its like you're proving the point that everyone outside of the EDM scene always says that "well yah gotta be on something to listen to that music." |
|
|
| trancechaos |
| quote: | Originally posted by djbruuen
2. This comment comes from the ppl i see falling around and acting like complete idiots while i'm at a club. I have no comment on what these ppl are like outside of the club, but while they're on the drug they're making it hard for other ppl to enjoy themselves by getting in other ppls way and having no sense of what they're doing 'i don't define "loser" by physical appearence if thats what you assumed, i think what makes a loser is the negative actions of an individual"
5. the ppl who take it take it for fun??? and you're trying to sound smart in this post?
|
dude, clearly you have never been on E and dont know what the you are talking about, no one on E falls around and acts like a fool, thats alcohol, E does not impair you the way alcohol does, its a totally different type of high. i say only talk about what you know and not what you suspect.
in my opinion Diginut sounded very smart coz he knows what he is talking about coz he as actually experienced it. |
|
|
|
|
