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How many of you take E? (pg. 6)
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| Callie5 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
While your point about priorities may be true, that stands for just about any recreational activity and not simply drugs.
Do you honestly that these drugs were criminalized in our best interests? A lot of people have the mistaken idea that because something is against the law, it's wrong/bad for you, and vice versa. Except that's simply not true. Just clear your head a little, take a few steps back from the forest, and try not to see it through the trees, and it should be pretty obvious.
Black market dealing and government prosecution are a symbiotic relationship. The entire system of "illicit" drugs was developed by the government to expand its control over society, using fear and junk science as a means of accomplishing it (because after all, it COULD kill you). It also has the added side benefit of making money through corruption. Manufacturers and dealers make their money precisely because of the law, and governments can continue to dig their tentacles further into society because of the black market. There are only two entities that benefit here: government and dealers. The general public is NOT one of them - criminalization makes it impossible to properly educate people or do medical testing.
Consider how many "legal" drugs are out there:
- DXM
- Alcohol
- Codeine
- Ephedra
- Caffeine
- PPA (which I believe was finally banned by the FDA)
- Prempro
- A wide variety of sleeping pills
And many more. And these are just the OTC kind - there are many more prescription drugs that are far more dangerous, like Zoloft. Coca Cola also used to containe cocaine. If you think these things are any less dangerous than MDMA, you really haven't done your homework.
There's only one real difference between legal and illegal drugs: illegal drugs aren't patented by pharmaceutical companies, and can be manufactured by anyone with the equipment and knowledge.
When governments tried to place prohibition laws on alcohol, people laughed in their faces. Everybody was already too familiar with alcohol to fall for a gimmick like that. Drugs like MDMA were a different story though - they were newer, didn't carry as much research, and in general easier to scare people with.
Everybody continues to ask why a person "needs" to drink or take a pill. Of course there will always be reckless people who get psychologically addicted (again, MDMA is not chemically addictive), but for the most part, it is only the same as people who "need" to smoke weed, eat chocolate, or play sports. They're all just different kinds of recreational activities involving some degree of risk. If you don't want to take risks, maybe you should just sit at home in front of your computer and listen to MP3s instead of going out to a club at all (that is, if you can stand the risk of cancer caused by the radiation in your monitor). |
Ephedra... is not quite LEGAL is it? |
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| Sly_Guy |
| quote: | Originally posted by starsearcher
Ahmm.....yeah....and give me some examples of illegal things that are good for you
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Your definition of good needs to be refined before I can answer your question, good for your body, good for your mind, good for your mental health?
E itself was used before it was criminalized as a means of allowing patients to deal with severe mental trauma. Granted, back then they were quicker to accept and use new drugs before their long term effects were know. That doesn't mean that just because they didn't know the long term effects that the drug is inherantly bad for you. Quite the opposite, with current research going on, MDMA appears to be far less harmful on the body than we in our lives have been lead to believe. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by High on PSI
I agree. The only reason i said "illegal" drugs tho, was because of alcohol. It is something many ppl dont grow out of because of age. Whether they should or shouldnt is a diff story, entirely up to the individual.
I agree, a lot of drugs that are legal, can be very harmful too. I'm not questioning the government's motives for making something legal/illegal, thats kind of irrelevant to my point.
All im saying is, as you grow up, your priorities change. There are many reasons why ppl stop, ie. getting married, having kids and trying to set a good example. Doing somthin against the law isnt setting a good example IMO. -Thats where im comin from here.
And i thought u were telling djbruuen to grow up because he chooses not to ever try it, and sees E as "bad." Maybe you said that because he deemed everone that does E a "low-life." If thats the case, I take it back. |
I can accept that. From a family or parental perspective it's definitely not good to encourage their kids to disobey the law. Although I think if I were a parent and I knew my kid was going to clubs/raves, I would definitely make sure they're educated on all the drugs - parents can't force kids to abstain, but they can force them to be educated.
I was mainly telling him to grow up because of his generally smarmy attitude toward E users - the "low-life loser" comment was definitely the clincher there, if it hadn't been for that comment then my response would have been a lot more tempered. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Callie5
Ephedra... is not quite LEGAL is it? |
It's banned in the USA, but you can get ephedrine tablets here.
| quote: | Originally posted by starsearcher
Ahmm.....yeah....and give me some examples of illegal things that are good for you
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LOL, that's priceless. Nothing is good for you in excess amounts, legal or illegal. As we well know, too much water can kill you. I have to ask the same question Sly asked - what exactly DO you consider "good"? |
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| starsearcher |
| ^^^ Well that's alright but he says that many things that are illegal are not necessarily bad or wrong...so I'm just wondering what are these many things he's talking about... |
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| Skipper |
| quote: | Originally posted by starsearcher
Hhhhmmmmmm *thinking*...I don't know about that one...although you may have found ONE thing that is true...but that's another issue for debate...
*EDIT*
Actually no i don't agree with you on that one...If I was a parent I wouldn't want my kid growing my in such environment...Usually there are a lot of other negative things attached to prostitution and I think that's one of the main reasons why it's ilegal. |
It was a joke.
you know, where you go "ha ha." |
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| starsearcher |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
It was a joke.
you know, where you go "ha ha." |
oh okay...ha ha...well I was actually thinking about it considering my last visit to Amsterdam and touring the Red Light District... |
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| Callie5 |
| Okay so my next question... Where can you get ephedrine? To my knowleged it's banned from Canada now as well |
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| High on PSI |
i think u can get it at like any health food store, ex. GNC
from what i know ephidrine is banned as a substance in weight-loss pills here... not sure if its limited to that tho. |
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| Sly_Guy |
he's ambiguous in his statement of bad or wrong as well, but I believe he's referring to the fact we are often mislead into the actual consequences of the effects of taking drugs compared to what the consequences really are.
Case and point :
I remember watching all the anti-drug commercials from my youth and having been scared less about drugs. Most notably, the one where the girl smashes the egg witht he frying pan 'this is your brain on drugs' then trashes the kitchen as 'this is what happens to your family' etc. However, most people don't abuses these drugs, or in the process of using drugs destroys their family and brain.
However, I've known people who've been using e responsibly for 12 years. They aren't messed in the head, tore their family apart with addiction, or destroyed their mind with drug abuse. In the process of their using the drug they've had experiences they'll fondly remember for the rest of their lives, and that to them makes E good. |
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| DigiNut |
^ right - from what I know, Health Canada issued a warning about ephedra/ephedrine and issued a *voluntary* recall of all products exceeding some specific dosage. They're still around, though; tons of OTC medicines contain it and not every store has stopped selling the pure ephedrine pills. I think the only thing Health Canada has officially "banned" is pills containing both ephedrine and caffeine, which apparently is a very bad combination.
(I'm not sure why, I've personally never even taken an ephedrine tablet, let alone combined it with caffeine) |
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| StereoPrincess |
| quote: | Originally posted by starsearcher
Ahmm.....yeah....and give me some examples of illegal things that are good for you :clown:
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thalidomide.illegal in canada because of old stigmas. useful in the treatment of AIDS and leprosy and other autoimmune diseases. AIDS patients have to smuggle it in from mexico and they are told by their doctors to do so.
melatonin, a herbal sleep agent. not legal in canada because they don't want to do the clinical tests. sometimes the only thing that can cure a poor insomniac. tested everywhere else. |
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