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| prolikewhoa |
k i only read the first page...but my grandparents thought/said the same thing of my brother and me when my parents brought us up in a Unitarian church (if you don't know what that is i'll explain it...most people haven't heard of it). when i was in junior high, i had a lot of christian friends who tried to convert me (hello...i live in texas) and i ended up being pretty involved with a methodist church for about 3 years. when i hit high school, i started researching religions, philosophy, etc to try and find my true beliefs. turns out, i'm nothing! religion isn't important to me at all...it's something i see as a way to make people less afraid of dying...i think christianity, judaism, etc...in some future society will be regarded the way we regard greek mythology (keep in mind, that WAS the greek's religion). i was raised studying and gathering my own ideas from all different types of religions, and i was a relatively faithful methodist for about 3 years...and i still formed my own opinions. since i was brought up in an open-minded church, none of the brainwashing/fear tactics could be imposed on me like some of my friends. i'm not saying all religions brainwash...but some of the churches down here (mostly baptist) are freaking insane. neither of my parents are religious, really, but that didn't stop me from wanting to explore and develop my own sense of...a connection to "god" or what-have-you. granted, i ended up...well...if you have to label it i'd call it agnostic, but that doesn't mean this kid won't be able to form his own opinions about god and the spiritual world.
k that was really long, but hopefully i made good points? use me as an example if you want jamie haha. hopefully your mom can be a little open minded about this. it's frustrating when someone you love seems clouded by their faith...and judges others unfairly. my brother was a hardcore baptist for a good 5 years, i can relate. he told my mom she was going to hell...:nervous: (glad he got over that!) |
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| DC76 |
| ^Heh, I'm Baptist :p, but I have the same take on it as Billy Graham... scare tactics like the "you're going to hell" line are not Biblical. Besides, is doing that loving the person (loving people is VERY Biblical)? NO. |
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| prolikewhoa |
| quote: | Originally posted by DC76
^Heh, I'm Baptist :p, but I have the same take on it as Billy Graham... scare tactics like the "you're going to hell" line are not Biblical. Besides, is doing that loving the person (loving people is VERY Biblical)? NO. |
i'm talking texas SOUTHERN baptists. no offense meant to nonevangelistic, nice baptists :D |
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| DC76 |
| quote: | Originally posted by prolikewhoa
i'm talking texas SOUTHERN baptists. no offense meant to nonevangelistic, nice baptists :D |
None taken :D
It isn't like the "nice" Baptists aren't evangelists, just that they preach about the love and forgiveness of Christ (Biblical, how Billy Graham rolls) as opposed to sitting behind a desk and making ludicrous statements with no Biblical truth behind them (like Mr. Falwell) and spread hatred and malice.
My pastor, while critical of governments for bowing to opinion polls on certain issues, is also very critical of those hardcore types who go around hating on people instead of just actions.
Case in point: I do not hate the girl who accused me of pedophilia when I was in Grade 12 (she was in Gr. 9), but I hate what she did. But I've forgiven her for it. |
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| prolikewhoa |
| quote: | Originally posted by DC76
None taken :D
It isn't like the "nice" Baptists aren't evangelists, just that they preach about the love and forgiveness of Christ (Biblical, how Billy Graham rolls) as opposed to sitting behind a desk and making ludicrous statements with no Biblical truth behind them (like Mr. Falwell) and spread hatred and malice.
My pastor, while critical of governments for bowing to opinion polls on certain issues, is also very critical of those hardcore types who go around hating on people instead of just actions.
Case in point: I do not hate the girl who accused me of pedophilia when I was in Grade 12 (she was in Gr. 9), but I hate what she did. But I've forgiven her for it. |
i don't agree with evangelism, but at least you're doing it in a positive way. |
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| M@t |
| quote: | Originally posted by DC76
Case in point: I do not hate the girl who accused me of pedophilia when I was in Grade 12 (she was in Gr. 9), but I hate what she did. But I've forgiven her for it. |
Lol you'd be the youngest paedophile ever |
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| NiteMer |
| quote: | Originally posted by prolikewhoa
i don't agree with evangelism, but at least you're doing it in a positive way. |
I'm not against evangelism, when people want to hear it, but I'm against scare tactics and pressure. Pressuring someone never changes their opinion, and it's useless. More often turns people off than anything. But there's nothing wrong with discussing your beliefs with someone else, that is interested in discussing/debating. It's all in the engine, not the concept. |
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| Jocker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Slylee
my f'n mother..i swear.
i mean am i right or am i right?
god, she ing thinks everyone in the world has to see things her way or they're wrong. |
you need a ing bitchslap to learn how to talk about your mother right.:rolleyes: |
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| prolikewhoa |
| quote: | Originally posted by NiteMer
I'm not against evangelism, when people want to hear it, but I'm against scare tactics and pressure. Pressuring someone never changes their opinion, and it's useless. More often turns people off than anything. But there's nothing wrong with discussing your beliefs with someone else, that is interested in discussing/debating. It's all in the engine, not the concept. |
maybe it's the type of evangelism i've been exposed to...b/c i don't consider someone asking about someone's faith and then that person telling them about it evangelism. i don't consider an invited discussion evangelism. evangelism to me is going out of your way to educate others about your faith, whether they want to hear it or not. i've always had a bad stigma attached to it, because in my view, evangelists are close-minded to other people's beliefs, and approach them as if that person is wrong about everything their religion stands for. i dunno. i've probably just been exposed to it in a negative light... but yes, i really enjoy discussion and debate as well. |
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| Vivid Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr. Pink
oh yeah
and i think religion is fukin STUPID
stupidest thing ever created. |
then u must think society working as a team is stupid. or control of the massess is stupid too.
thats exactly what religion was made to do. control the massess. and i for one dont think its a bad thing. we need to be controlled.
cept for me. KING KONG AINT GOT ON ME ! |
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| NiteMer |
| quote: | Originally posted by prolikewhoa
maybe it's the type of evangelism i've been exposed to...b/c i don't consider someone asking about someone's faith and then that person telling them about it evangelism. i don't consider an invited discussion evangelism. evangelism to me is going out of your way to educate others about your faith, whether they want to hear it or not. i've always had a bad stigma attached to it, because in my view, evangelists are close-minded to other people's beliefs, and approach them as if that person is wrong about everything their religion stands for. i dunno. i've probably just been exposed to it in a negative light... but yes, i really enjoy discussion and debate as well. |
Yeah. I can understand your peeve, since you've dealt with a lot of Southern Baptists. While some don't use those methods, there's a stigma to that branch of Christianity and it's "evangelism". My brother is a missionary, in Nigeria, and, I can assure you, he doesn't pressure/scare people into believing. He's a very warm, giving man that finds opportunities to share his faith, without alienating people. |
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| prolikewhoa |
| quote: | Originally posted by NiteMer
Yeah. I can understand your peeve, since you've dealt with a lot of Southern Baptists. While some don't use those methods, there's a stigma to that branch of Christianity and it's "evangelism". My brother is a missionary, in Nigeria, and, I can assure you, he doesn't pressure/scare people into believing. He's a very warm, giving man that finds opportunities to share his faith, without alienating people. |
yeah, i can respect that. i have a lot of respect for the people who use their faith to make the world a better place. i still maintain my view of religion, but as long as you use your faith to promote positive actions/feelings, i have the upmost respect for you.
[edit] haha i said respect a lot. |
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