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| NiteMer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
Pal, your post is rather misguided in that you seem to think I do not believe in God. That is not true, I am a believer, I'm in church every Sunday, and unlike many who blindly follow a faith I actually took the time to research many faiths and picked my church based on what I believed to be true. So, there is little point in you wasting your breath trying to make me believe in something I already believe in.
My post was pointing out the weaknesses in your argument. Your post just served to further evidence those weaknesses. As I said earlier... you cannot prove a negative therefore because one cannot prove that God exists does not mean that God does exist. No one can prove the existance of God, it is a question of faith, which as C.S. Lewis theorises is exactly how God wants it. Don't tell me that you can prove God's existance because you cannot. Simillarly, don't tell me that just because it cannot be proven that my father isn't Prince Charles means that it has been proven that Prince Charles is my father. Your logic is faulty. |
One can't prove God exists, but the same way one can feel the wind, one can feel God. I never worry about someone questioning my beliefs, because they are undying and unwavering. I've felt God move in my life and there isn't a thing anyone could say to discredit that. As far as believing in Evolution and God, I can't believe both. I'm sure I'll get flamed for it, but I believe in the bible as God's word, literally. I don't believe it needs to be updated, because you can read it, in context, based on what was happening at that time and the places being written about. The word yom (probably mispelled), in Hebrew, is always used as a 24 hour period of time, in the bible. Why would it be different, in Genesis, when describing creation? How can it be figurative, if that word is universally used as that time period? I haven't researched the Hebrew and Greek, personally, but my brothers have and I've been fortunate to be able to use them as a resource for such data. It just doesn't work out for me that way. But I don't think it has anything to do with our salvation, at all. It's a mental exercise, but, in the end, only our faith in God and his forgiveness will save us. |
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| NiteMer |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
Renegade, I had read somewhere that the fossils were there because of the flood which killed all the dinosaurs. And that explains why they're buried so deep. Because the flood made all those layers. It's no use looking for "a" layer.
When the whole world gets hit by a meteor, cracking the fault lines and flooding with water, it created all those layers. How do you think they got bent like rubber in so many places? Take a mountain drive some time and think about your millions of years.
Look at the top of a slanted strata, there is no new layers of flat strata on top. Does that mean it just slanted recently? or are those rocks millions or billions of years old, and they just stopped laying new strata there?? I don't think so!
I think young earth science can help you with all the questions you asked. Check it out. It really is a great way of life. Great hobby looking for geologic weirdness too. I dunno where the so called "real" scientists are getting their explinations. |
A flood with say the impact of Noah's Ark might create such layers as well. The layer theory is hogwash. When Mt. St. Helens erupted, thousands of layers were created in days. Same could be said of a 40 day 40 night flood. |
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| Arbiter |
| quote: | Originally posted by NiteMer
In addition, the big bang theory goes against the laws of thermodynamics. A bunch of gases (disorder) created solids (order). |
You've never seen it snow? 
Just because the total entropy of the universe is increasing doesn't mean that phenomena of increasing order can't occur within it. That's got to be the silliest argument I've ever heard against th big bang, and believe me, I've heard a few. |
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| dinoXpress |
| quote: | Originally posted by Scottaculous
Just checked in to this thread and having gone through a few pages I am left wondering,
Why does Slylee always create the longest discussion? :conf: |
cuz she is a woman. |
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| NiteMer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Arbiter
You've never seen it snow?
Just because the total entropy of the universe is increasing doesn't mean that phenomena of increasing order can't occur within it. That's got to be the silliest argument I've ever heard against th big bang, and believe me, I've heard a few. |
Where is the equal and opposite reaction? |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by dinoXpress
cuz she is a woman. |
:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: |
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| NiteMer |
| I've said my piece and I'm done arguing. There isn't a point as we have completely different viewpoints which bias our arguments. We won't know until we die, but I'm confident in my perception and that's all I need. |
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| Renegade |
| quote: | | I have read the bible. You may also want to note that the bible is writen in poetic form and at no times claims to be litteral. Additionally, based on the bible this planet is a little over 4000 years old.... we know that is not the case. Moreover, just because I regard the bible as a metaphore does not mean it is not true. Further, you should note that belief in a literal interpretation of the bible only acts as evidence of blind faith which is something Jesus himself cautions against. |
the bible says the bible is the word of god so i think it should be taken litteraly. i mean you cant say you beleive in the bible and also say that some parts arent true??? :conf:
| quote: | | I would also like to note that I have read the Vedicts as well. They tell us that the world was ushered into being by the reverberation of a single sound made by Brahman (their highest god)... that sound was the "aum" which is often used as a mantra when meditating. The story is very complex and I cannot be arsed to explain it to you, however, I see this as being no more or less valid a metaphore for the creation of the universe then Genisis, as both fit quite well with the scientific fact. |
sorry,i don't like islam.
| quote: | Hey Renegade, I found those darwin sayings for you:
The number of intermediate and transitional links between all living and extinct species, must have been inconceivably great.~ Charles Darwin
But just in proportion as this process of extermination has acted on an enormous scale, so must the number of intermediate varieties, which have formerly existed, be truly enormous. Why then is not every geological formation and every stratum full of such intermediate links? Geology assuredly does not reveal any such finely graduated organic chain; and this, perhaps, is the most obvious and serious objection which can be urged against the theory. The explanation lies, as I believe, in the extreme imperfection of the geological record. ~ Charles Darwin
He who rejects these views on the nature of the geologic record, will rightly reject my whole theory. ~ Charles Darwin |
thank you occrider!!! :) i'd like to see how the athiests try to explain this one LOL :stongue:
just more proof the man they worship is a LIAR.
| quote: | u know who did belief in him????
The German Fuhrer, as I have consistently maintained, is an evolutionist; he has consciously sought to make the practice of Germany conform to the theory of evolution. ~ Arthur Keith
If Nature does not wish that weaker individuals should mate with the stronger, she wishes even less that a superior race should intermingle with an inferior one; because in such a case all her efforts, throughout hundreds of thousands of years, to establish an evolutionary higher stage of being, may thus be rendered futile. ~ Adolf Hitler
National Socialism is nothing but applied biology. ~ Rudolph Hess |
exactly!!! ppl forget that hitler was an athiest and he is a very good example of what happens to ppl that don't beleive in god. whats stopping ppl that don't beleive in god from killing lots of other ppl??? :( NOTHING!!!
also i think theres a lot of simularitys beween athiests and nazis but i wont talk about them here.
| quote: | | Why, then, is it still referred to as the "theory" of evolution. There isn't any definitive proof that these intermediary species existed, just a lot of assumption. Half the time they're pulling parts from different species. I think it takes just as much a leap of faith to believe evolution, as it does to believe in God. In addition, the big bang theory goes against the laws of thermodynamics. A bunch of gases (disorder) created solids (order). I'm not going to say I'm an expert in evolutionary theory, as I don't buy it and would rather not waste time on it, but I did take Physical Anthropology, in college, and there were a lot of assumptions and unsubstantiated data. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, because I'm sure we're not gonna change each others minds. |
exactly!!! TANK YOU NIGHTMARE!! :) |
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| Slylee |
| quote: | Originally posted by Scottaculous
Just checked in to this thread and having gone through a few pages I am left wondering,
Why does Slylee always create the longest discussion? :conf: |
yea i really know how to pick em'! :stongue:
topics, that is;) |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by NiteMer
One can't prove God exists, but the same way one can feel the wind, one can feel God. I never worry about someone questioning my beliefs, because they are undying and unwavering. I've felt God move in my life and there isn't a thing anyone could say to discredit that. As far as believing in Evolution and God, I can't believe both. I'm sure I'll get flamed for it, but I believe in the bible as God's word, literally. I don't believe it needs to be updated, because you can read it, in context, based on what was happening at that time and the places being written about. The word yom (probably mispelled), in Hebrew, is always used as a 24 hour period of time, in the bible. Why would it be different, in Genesis, when describing creation? How can it be figurative, if that word is universally used as that time period? I haven't researched the Hebrew and Greek, personally, but my brothers have and I've been fortunate to be able to use them as a resource for such data. It just doesn't work out for me that way. But I don't think it has anything to do with our salvation, at all. It's a mental exercise, but, in the end, only our faith in God and his forgiveness will save us. |
See, it is the literal interpretation of the bible that I can't get behind. Reason for it is that the science disproves the story. Additionally, if you take everything in the bible as literal there are far too many paradoxes. Most importantly, being as the bible was writen by men and not God it is very likely that there are errors and inconsistancies between what God said to the prophets and what was eventually writen. Plus, let us not forget that there are more books that have been excluded from the bible then are contained in it.... Hell, there are over 30 gospels but somehow only the four that are included are valid (by the way, they often contradict each other as well). I just can't buy that everything God meant to reveal was revealed exactly as it happened and was recorded exactly as it was revealed and those recordings did not get altered through the generations in which they were passed down in verbal form and that there was no change from the verbal stories to the writen stories and that there has been no errors made in the interpretations from language to language to language. It's just too improbable... God may be perfect but we are not. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by NiteMer
Why, then, is it still referred to as the "theory" of evolution. There isn't any definitive proof that these intermediary species existed, just a lot of assumption. Half the time they're pulling parts from different species. I think it takes just as much a leap of faith to believe evolution, as it does to believe in God. In addition, the big bang theory goes against the laws of thermodynamics. A bunch of gases (disorder) created solids (order). I'm not going to say I'm an expert in evolutionary theory, as I don't buy it and would rather not waste time on it, but I did take Physical Anthropology, in college, and there were a lot of assumptions and unsubstantiated data. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, because I'm sure we're not gonna change each others minds. |
I have a minor degree in anthropology and I know Moral Hazard has read my books on Anthropology. You are correct that it is the Theory of Evolution....you could just as well say the Theory of God. Neither one is a fact and therefore they are Theories. In my opinion...I will believe what I can physically see and what is documented and make my own decisions on that information. Until someone can show me physical evidence of GOD I will take science over religon when it comes to explaining how the universe was created. |
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| Arbiter |
| quote: | Originally posted by NiteMer
Where is the equal and opposite reaction? |
A better question would be, in my opinion, where is the action for which the big bang is a reaction? But since I don't agree with the currently popular scientific theories, I can't provide an answer other than to say, I don't believe that the "big bang" was any more of a beginning than it was an end. |
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