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| EricB. |
| you nou and western civilization. I just punched a baby because it makes me feel like a MAN! |
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| Silky Johnson |
| quote: | Originally posted by EricB.
riiighhttt, well if its my brother i get his stereo. coooooool.
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO USA! |
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| EricB. |
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
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Together we will destroy the fundamental pillars of western civilization! one selfish everyday decision at a time. Theres 2 pickles left in the fridge, i know my brother loves pickles. Im eating both. YOU NOU YOU CANT STOP ME |
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| Silky Johnson |
| I masturbate every time I read Atlas Shrugged. Don't even ask about what goes on with the Fountainhead. :o :o |
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| Adamo |
| holy *picks penis back up* |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by Arbiter
Before you call it a straw man, maybe you should check and see whether any of those distinctions have anything to do with his argument. |
Indeed, Cliff, I mentioned what we think suicide is just so you knew what we are talking about but made you a favour and limited the discussion to what you Cliffly think suicide is.
| quote: | Apparently, you seem to limit suicide to all scenarios that resemble your uncle's death in a way you can recognise, so I'm not going to bother coming up with all possible examples, and I'm going to start from the following hypothesis
A guy shot himself
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Isn't this what this is all about?
But, I see what's going on now. You seemed to be shielding your arguments behind the claim that "suicide is inherently selfish" and all I showed is that this criticism is unfounded because suicide has little to do with selfishness/selflessness even in the context you gave us.
It's become painfully obvious that this discussion is not about suicide, but about your deceased uncle, and that it's comfortable for you to label him as a selfish bastard so you can keep some healthy distance.
That's why you have a million ways to show us we're wrong, though none of them is sound.
| quote: | Originally posted by Arbiter
To be honest, I think the whole argument is rather pointless because it depends on the assumption that there's some meaningful distinction between selfish and non-selfish behavior. |
Yeah, I don't think it's a relevant distinction either... but it'd be such a long digression I gave up on that the moment I started typing and adopted his world view so I could talk to him on his terms.
By the way, Nou, though I'm in one of those breaks I often take, I'll come back to discuss this issue if you want. If, however, you need this label so bad, could you please just remind yourself that this is about your uncle and not everyone that commits suicide? It'll save you a lot of trouble in the future. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
Don't even ask about what goes on with the Fountainhead. :o :o |
do ho. Cleveh goil. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
I masturbate every time I read Atlas Shrugged. Don't even ask about what goes on with the Fountainhead. :o :o |
Sig worthy!
But Ayn Rand sucks as a decent read. |
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| couch-potato |
Oh for 's sake I peek into this thread & see comments of AYN RAND!?
I am disappoint. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| So many haters. Pfft. |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
It's become painfully obvious that this discussion is not about suicide, but about your deceased uncle, and that it's comfortable for you to label him as a selfish bastard so you can keep some healthy distance. |
Its not though. I would make this same argument either way. Eddie also agrees with me, and he did not know my uncle, I didn't know my uncle either, it was 10 years before I was even born.
You can not argue that violent suicide is not selfish. It the act itself is inherently selfish. You are killing yourself. Selfishness is "devoted to or caring only for oneself; concerned primarily with one's own interests, benefits, welfare, etc., regardless of others." Suicide is of interest only to the person committing it and furthermore it is regardless of other peoples concerns in almost all cases. If the person is not horribly ill than most people will not consider suicide a viable, or even sane alternative. Especially for people like Jay or my uncle whos only driving motivation to actually commit the act was the failure of a romantic relationship.
This is a very cut and dry argument and I think that you people are hung up on the death of DA or maybe others and you find it hard to blame the victim. Well sadly with suicide you can almost never not blame the victim, as they made the conscious choice to end their own lives, irregardless of the concerns of those around them and for their own benefit, which is the definition of selfishness!
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WTF it censored irregardless... HOW IS THAT A BAD WORD IN ANYWAY!? IT DOESNT EVEN CONTAIN A BAD WORD!!! :wtf: |
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| Rose |
Hmmmm this thread is a disaster.
btw Nou is stubborn as ...there is no getting through to him. EVER. It's a waste of time if you try to argue with him because in that huge head of his he will always be right. Amirite Nou? Yeah. |
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