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Breaking News: Isreal and Lebanon at War? (pg. 66)
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| Shakka |
| quote: | Originally posted by Purple
Hizbullah did this, Hizbullah did that, I mean what fuc did Hizbullah did?
Arresting two armed guys entering their house? |
Try to keep up--this was posted on a prior page.
Among many other things--most recently:
| quote: | | Two weeks ago with no provocation Hezbollah opened fire, killed eight soldiers, abducted another two and Israel is expected to negotiate for their release. |
And after Israel forcefully evacuated settlers from Gaza.
Radical Islam...the religion of peace. Provided you are not Jewish.
Why not tell us what the Jews did to Hizbollah to cause them to want to wipe Israel off the map. If Israel was located on the North Pole the story would be the same--Radical Jihadist Muslims would still want them wiped off the map. It is their ed up belief that the Jewish race should be eradicated. What tolerance! |
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| Purple |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
This is about far more than *2 soldiers*. |
What is it about? Did Hizbullah killed any Israile before? Did they blew themselves in Israel? Did they fired rockets into Israeli terretory before? Did they threw stones on them? What they did before Israeli invasion?
And nothing warrants this destruction of Lebanon unless Hizbullah did a Beslan in Israel. |
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| Shakka |
| quote: | Originally posted by Purple
What is it about? Did Hizbullah killed any Israile before? |
YES.
| quote: | | Did they blew themselves in Israel? |
YES.
| quote: | | Did they fired rockets into Israeli terretory before? |
YES.
| quote: | | Did they threw stones on them? What they did before Israeli invasion? |
So to speak, YES.
Their tactics are to try to kill innocent civilians. They launch rockets into Israel aiming at anything they can to inflict maximum damage. They hide among their own women and children so that when Israel tries to hit strategic targets with precision guided munitions there are still unfortunate casualties of innocent civilians, but Hezbollah is as much to blame for their cowardly tactics resulting in loss of innocent life as Israel is for trying to hit strategic targets like highways and airports as opposed to randomly targeting masses of civilians in an attempt to inflict maximum damage. |
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| Flotser |
| quote: | Originally posted by Purple
Ya this war has shown the world real jews and how they are. How selfish and disrespectful this community is towards others. For 2 of their own they will kill 200 others. Maybe thats why they were sent to concentration camps at first place.
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WTF???
first of all you should get a ban for this post.
second, your horrible, evil and fraudulent words don't deserve a serius comment.
| quote: | Originally posted by Purple
What is it about? Did Hizbullah killed any Israile before? Did they blew themselves in Israel? Did they fired rockets into Israeli terretory before? Did they threw stones on them? What they did before Israeli invasion? |
and :) ... thank you for this post - that may spread some light on the "facts " that appear in your posts.
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| quote: | Originally posted by Abhay
hmmmm, well, i'm leaning more on the "using hezbollah as an excuse to attack lebanon" side.
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An excuse to attack Lebanon?? Why the hell would Israel "plan" to attack one of the most 'western' arab countries? Lebanon have just kicked Syria out and even during these last 2 weeks of war the Lebaneese goverment itself blamed Hizbulla for what is happening now.
Maybe you forget that Israel signed piece with Egypt and Jordan and retured Sinai. If there was no Hizbulla and no Syiran control over Lebanon, long time ago a piece would have been signed between Israel & Lebanon. You also forget that Israel is a 100% western democracy, and as such it never had and never will be able engage a war for occupation purposes.
| quote: | Originally posted by Abhay
It doesn't bother me that ISrael get's pissed off and retaliates, but i don't see what the hell Lebanon has to do with anything.
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You agree that Israel should retaliate... but how can israel do it exatcly without attacking inside the Lebaneese terretory? Hizbulla actually controls all south of Lebanon, many villiges are inhebitaed with Hizbulla members and supporters. Hizbulla also controls the southern neighbrhood in Beirut, and to attack hizbulla israel must also attack the Hizbullaa fortress in south Beirut where Nasralla himself lives.
| quote: | Originally posted by Abhay
I don't really see hezbollah as an entity of the Lebanese government. |
Even though the Hizbulla has one minister in the current goverment, and has 23 seats (out of about 140) in the Lebaneese parliment...
I also believe that the the majority of goverment in Lebanon doesn't see Hizbulla as a major part of the goverment, and want hizbulla to be disarmed, but they are afraid of a civil war so they do nothing about it (and breach the U.N. security council desicion no. 1559).
Anyway, Israel didn't attack goverment facilities and offices, the Lebaneese army, and cities and neighbours in Beirut that have no relation to Hizbulla, except:
some seaports and the airport that all these years was used to supply Hizbulla with rockets and weapons from Syria & Iran and could have been used by Hizbulla two weeks ago to fly away with the kidnapped soldiers. Lebaneese army radars were destroyed in the seaport base where they were used by Hizbulla to fire the iranian C-802 reckets on the Israeli army ship.
You must not forget that Hizbulla militants are brainwashed with fanatic fundementalistic beliefs. They truly believe with their hearts that it is a commandment to wear an explosives belt and blow themselves up inside a bus. That is the main problem and you just can't avoid it and just see Hizbulla as 'resistanse' group |
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| Purple |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
YES.
YES.
YES.
So to speak, YES.
Their tactics are to try to kill innocent civilians. They launch rockets into Israel aiming at anything they can to inflict maximum damage. They hide among their own women and children so that when Israel tries to hit strategic targets with precision guided munitions there are still unfortunate casualties of innocent civilians, but Hezbollah is as much to blame for their cowardly tactics resulting in loss of innocent life as Israel is for trying to hit strategic targets like highways and airports as opposed to randomly targeting masses of civilians in an attempt to inflict maximum damage. |
I dont find anything. Must be year 1994. Which year was it? Can you link me some terrorist incident in year 2006 caused by Hezbollah in Israel and before the Israeli invasion?
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Hezbollah has denounced acts of terror, such as the September 11 attacks, GIA massacres in Algeria, Armed Islamic Group attacks on tourists in Egypt, and the murder of Nick Berg. However, it expresses support and sympathy for the activities of Hamas and Islamic Jihad, Islamist groups responsible for suicide attacks and armed resistance in Israel and the Palestinian territories. |
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| Shakka |
| quote: | Originally posted by Purple Hezbollah has denounced acts of terror, such as the September 11 attacks, GIA massacres in Algeria, Armed Islamic Group attacks on tourists in Egypt, and the murder of Nick Berg. However, it expresses support and sympathy for the activities of Hamas and Islamic Jihad, Islamist groups responsible for suicide attacks and armed resistance in Israel and the Palestinian territories.
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Yeah, that was a nice public face. Did you not see them dancing in the streets on 9/11? It goes back a lot further than 1994. |
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| Haunted |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
Why not tell us what the Jews did to Hizbollah to cause them to want to wipe Israel off the map. If Israel was located on the North Pole the story would be the same--Radical Jihadist Muslims would still want them wiped off the map. It is their ed up belief that the Jewish race should be eradicated. What tolerance! |
exactly. this is what most people fail to realize, they look at whats happening now and see "oh wow israel really is over reacting, look at all those deaths" but they fail to look at the big picture. Israel is fighting for its survival, and always has been. |
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| Purple |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
Yeah, that was a nice public face. Did you not see them dancing in the streets on 9/11? It goes back a lot further than 1994. |
Any link of recent killing please? Most recent before invasion? |
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| Shakka |
| quote: | Originally posted by Purple
Any link of recent killing please? Most recent before invasion? |
Sure, here's some fodder. Try reading a newspaper once in a while.
LA Times
| quote: | Israel: One Nation Under Attack
In 1982, many Israelis protested their military's involvement in Lebanon. This time they're united.
By Michael B. Oren
July 26, 2006
IN 1982, FOLLOWING the massacre of 800 Palestinian civilians in Beirut, about 500,000 Israelis took to the streets.
Although the Palestinians had been killed by a Christian militia and not by Israeli troops, the demonstrators demanded the ouster of Defense Minister Ariel Sharon, who had sent the militiamen into the Sabra and Chatilla refugee camps.
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The protesters were also furious about a war that was intended not, as the government originally claimed, to defend northern Israel from Palestinian rockets but to alter the balance of power in Lebanon, a goal they considered optional. As a result of the rally, Sharon was forced to resign.
Twenty-four years later, the Israel Defense Forces are back in Lebanon, occupying swaths of the south and bombing Beirut. Hundreds of Lebanese civilians have been killed — by Israelis, not by their proxies — and immense damage caused. Much of the world and the media are as critical of Israel's conduct in this war as they were in the previous one, insisting that the Israeli attacks have been "disproportionate."
Yet, in contrast to 1982, Israelis today are overwhelmingly supporting their army's actions. And apart from expressing regret over the loss of civilian lives, they show no sign of wavering. Israeli flags and banners proclaiming "Be of Strength and Courage!" (a biblical quote) literally line the streets.
Why? What makes this Lebanon war different from the last one?
To begin with, Israelis, too, are under fire this time. During the last few weeks, Hezbollah has shot more than 2,500 rockets and mortars at Israel, killing at least 17 civilians, wounding 500 and forcing more than half a million people to flee. The attacks from Lebanon coincided with aggression from Gaza, where Hamas terrorists fired about 1,000 Kassam rockets at Israeli towns and farms.
On both fronts, Israeli soldiers were the victims of unprovoked ambushes and kidnappings. And these attacks have come despite the fact that Israel is no longer occupying any part of either Lebanon or Gaza. The war, Israelis now know, is not about borders but about the existence of the Jewish state.
Israelis also know that Hezbollah cares nothing about civilian casualties on either side. On the contrary, Hezbollah wants Israel to cause the maximum amount of collateral damage among Lebanese in order to expose Israel to international condemnation. That's why Hezbollah missile launchers are routinely deployed in civilian neighborhoods.
As a rule, Israeli forces warn Lebanese civilians to leave the battle areas, but eventually they have no option but to destroy these structures or risk losing more Israeli lives to the rockets fired at them. The Israeli air force must also knock out the roads, runways and bridges that Hezbollah uses to replenish its arsenal.
More pressing than the need to defend Israel's heartland, however, is the need to protect Lebanon from Syria and Iran. Counterintuitive though it sounds, Israelis understand that the only way to save Lebanon is by bombing it.
After languishing for years under Syrian occupation, Lebanon has been hijacked by the Syrian-supplied and Iranian-directed Hezbollah. The Lebanese government and army are powerless to control this force, much less disarm it. Hezbollah's burgeoning power not only permits Syria to continue its occupation of the country but, more perilously, it enables Iran to realize its dream of establishing an unbroken arc of Shiite militancy from the Mediterranean to the Persian Gulf.
An Iranian takeover of Lebanon not only threatens Israel's security but also that of moderate Sunni states throughout the region, and it endangers Europeans and Americans.
In mounting its counteroffensive against Hamas and Hezbollah, Israel is drawing a line in the sand against the Iranian leaders who have sworn to wipe it off the map and who, for that purpose, are developing nuclear power.
Israel's purpose is not retribution but survival.
In 1982, Israel's objective was to install a pro-Israeli government in Beirut. But its goal today is to prevent Lebanon from becoming a fully armed outpost of Iran.
Needed to help accomplish that is a robust international force to secure Lebanon's borders from all foreign encroachments, disarm all illegal militias and establish the sovereignty of the democratically elected government in Beirut.
Sharon, who eventually returned to politics and became the first Israeli prime minister to recognize the Palestinians' right to statehood and to uproot Israeli settlements, now lies in a coma. He leaves behind a legacy of one Lebanon war that most Israelis opposed — but also a sense of sobriety and resolve that has persuaded Israelis to support this Lebanon war and steeled their determination to win. |
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| quote: | ...In the context of the present Lebanon fighting,[b] Hezbollah does not deny that the kidnapping of the Israel soldiers on July 12th was deliberate, premeditated and approved by the Hezbollah command. The attack was on an Israeli patrol in territory that is undisputed Israel territory. It was accompanied by a barrage of rocket attacks aimed against both military and civilian targets in Northern Israel. It followed a series of earlier Hezbollah attacks and attempts at kidnapping soldiers. It would clearly appear to have been an armed attack.
[5] Since the first Hezbollah barrage on the 12th of July, more than a thousand rockets have hit Northern Israel including the Israeli major town and port of Haifa. This is an armed conflict by any measure. In such an armed conflict it is legitimate for Israel to attempt to deal a critical blow to the military capabilities of Hezbollah. It has been said about Israel “it is a dangerous State; when attacked, it defends itself”. Military actions by Israel are, of course, subject to the limitations set out in the laws of armed conflict.... |
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| Purple |
This is not what I asked for.
| quote: | | To begin with, Israelis, too, are under fire this time. During the last few weeks, Hezbollah has shot more than 2,500 rockets and mortars at Israel, killing at least 17 civilians, wounding 500 and forcing more than half a million people to flee. The attacks from Lebanon coincided with aggression from Gaza, where Hamas terrorists fired about 1,000 Kassam rockets at Israeli towns and farms. |
These are after the invasion, I am asking for any terrorist incident before the arrest and invasion of Lebanon.
This is an article decribing the war, what you expect country's army people to do once you invade it? Spread flowers for your welcome?
I am asking for a link to most recent terrorist act commited by Hizbollah. Eg: Hizbollah members blowing themselves up in cafeteria, shopping mall etc. |
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| ogvh5150 |
| quote: | Red Cross ambulances destroyed in Israeli air strike on rescue mission
· Volunteer paramedics demand UN guarantees
· Flags and lights prove no protection for aid teams
Suzanne Goldenberg in Tyre
Tuesday July 25, 2006
The Guardian
 
Coffins are prepared for mass burial in the Lebanese city of Tyre. Photograph: Nasser Nasser/AP
The ambulance headlamps were on, the blue light overhead was flashing, and another light illuminated the Red Cross flag when the first Israeli missile hit, shearing off the right leg of the man on the stretcher inside. As he lay screaming beneath fire and smoke, patients and ambulance workers scrambled for safety, crawling over glass in the dark. Then another missile hit the second ambulance.Even in a war which has turned the roads of south Lebanon into killing zones, Israel's rocket strike on two clearly marked Red Cross ambulances on Sunday night set a deadly new milestone.
Six ambulance workers were wounded and three generations of the Fawaz family, being transported to hospital from Tibnin with what were originally minor injuries, were left fighting for their lives. Two ambulances were entirely destroyed, their roofs pierced by missiles.
The Lebanese Red Cross, whose ambulance service for south Lebanon is run entirely by volunteers, immediately announced it would cease all rescue missions unless Israel guaranteed their safety through the United Nations or the International Red Cross.
For the villages below the Litani river, the ambulances were their last link to the outside world. Yesterday, that too was gone, leaving the 100,000 people of Tyre district with no way of reaching hospital other than to take to the roads themselves, under the roar of Israeli war planes.
The fateful call to the Red Cross operations room came through at about 10pm - well after dark, a time when almost no Lebanese now dare venture out.
At the Red Cross office in Tyre, three volunteer medics dressed in their orange overalls, and got into their ambulance. The plan was to drive halfway, meet the local ambulance, and transfer the three patients to their vehicle to return to Tyre.
By Nader Joudi's reckoning, the ambulances had been stopped for barely two minutes. Two patients had been loaded: Ahmed Mustafa Fawaz, who had been hit by shrapnel in the stomach, and his son, Mohammed, 14. The volunteer attendant was just easing Jamila Fawaz, 80, inside and setting up a drip when the missile struck. He managed to get the old woman and the child outside, but there was no way to reach Mr Fawaz. "It was horrible," Mr Joudi said. "He was screaming, and we couldn't do anything."
One of the members of the three-man crew from Tibnin radioed for help when another missile plunged through the roof. Ambulance crew and patients retreated to the cellar of a nearby building, then waited to be rescued, trying as best as they could to help the injured. "Each of us treated ourselves. There was no light," said Kassem Shaalan, a medic from Tyre.
By the time patients and ambulance crew reached Tyre, Mr Fawaz was unconscious after losing one leg, and suffering severe fractures to the other. His son had lost part of a foot, and his mother's body was riddled with shrapnel. Mr Joudi had shrapnel wounds in his left arm, and Mr Shaalan cuts to the face and leg.
He was adamant that the ambulances, with their Red Cross insignia on the roof, were clearly visible from the air. "I don't think there can be a mistake in two bombings of two ambulances," he said.
Although the air strike marked the first time ambulances have been hit by Israel in this war, for Mr Shaalan and the other Red Cross volunteers it was only a matter of time. After two weeks of strikes designed to choke off possible supply lines to Hizbullah guerrillas, travel to many villages was just too dangerous. Coastal villages even within a few kilometers of Tyre are cut off. In some, corpses remain trapped in the rubble for days.
But nothing is more perilous than travelling by night, and no more so than just before midnight that Sunday when another Red Cross crew set off from Tyre to pick up their injured colleagues.
"I was trembling," said Ali Deeb, one of the volunteers on the mission. "It was too dangerous, and helicopters buzzing, and all through this, I am thinking one thing: the ambulance that left half an hour before you has already been injured, and you could be next." Later yesterday afternoon, two missiles landed in the building across the road from the Red Cross office.
The toll
Lebanese
Yesterday
Civilian deaths 8
Hizbullah deaths 0
Since outbreak
Military deaths 66
Civilian deaths 377
Wounded 1,550+
Israeli
Yesterday
Civilian deaths 0
Military deaths 4
Since outbreak
Military deaths 24
Civilian deaths 17
Wounded 360+ |
| quote: |  Disaster averted: UAV fires at IDF, IAF halts fire
Yaakov Katz, THE JERUSALEM POST Jul. 25, 2006
The IAF revealed on Tuesday that it had prevented a severe disaster on the previous day when it had halted the fire that a UAV was shooting at Israeli troops.
A senior Air Force officer said that the UAV opened fire on ground troops operating in Bint Jbeil after receiving the coordinates from the Golani Brigade. The fire was stopped when the IAF realized the mistake.
No one was wounded in the incident. |
Used without permission for non-commercial educational use only. All rights reserved. |
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| Purple |
| quote: | Originally posted by colonelcrisp
i dont recall you all bitching this hard after the US annhialated two countries after 9/11......... lets not even get into the body count from afganistan or iraq......
i was oposed to the US reaciton to 9/11 as well, and so were alot of other people, but after a couple months of war, people seemed to stop protesting it... the Israelis are just taking an american style approach to this. |
I had nothing but respect for Israel and its people one month back. Part of it because of famous 7 days war and part of it because of one argument I heard from one lady on a news channel. Link was posted here by someone. But this war has really shown the coward/selfish faces hidden behind them.
After seeing all this pointless destruction of lives, how they are bleeding Lebanon with full force, I dont have any respect towards this country. Specially towards the people of this country.
What amazes me most is how whole country and its people is supporting this cold blooded murder and violence. Even when US raped Iraq, Afganistan; there were people in US, US citizens protesting over it. But I doubt there is one protest on streets of Israel. Jews united as one to acheive one goal, kill 200 others for 2 of us.
I wonder if the Israeli family of the two arrested by Lebanon army still think its fair for Lebanon to return them alive. |
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