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Breaking News: Isreal and Lebanon at War? (pg. 76)
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| Flotser |
| quote: | Originally posted by venomX
Further proving the point that they regard themselves as being worth more than other people.
Two soldiers for 400 civilians is ridiculous any way you spin it my friend. Keep erasing them villages,
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You don't see the correct equation IMO. The IDF actions are not revenge, it never was 2 = 400.
the purpose of this action is to eliminate the immidiate threat that is posed by Hizbulla.
A bright day started with rockets shot at northen Israel, 2 soldiers kidnapped and 8 killed while attacked also with anti-tank rockets.
If Israel would have accpted it as is, what would prevent it from happening again and again?
This is the main cause of Israel's response, not revenge,
and not a death toll eqution!
Please believe me that 99% of Israelis feel really bad about innocent Lebaneese killed. However, success in current actions may prevent the deaths of much more people of both sides in the future, which may happen if this fanatic organiztion with brainwashed militants keeps to gather more and more power.
Maybe the military actions won't achieve this goal... but maybe it will actually save much lives in the future.
Israel and Lebanon truly can live in peace, you can see it by listening to current reactions in the Lebaneese goverment against the Hizbulla. The war is against Hizbulla and for a better future for peacful people, not a revenge. |
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| Purple |
| quote: | Originally posted by Flotser
the purpose of this action is to eliminate the immidiate threat that is posed by Hizbulla.
Israel and Lebanon truly can live in peace, you can see it by listening to current reactions in the Lebaneese goverment against the Hizbulla. The war is against Hizbulla and for a better future for peacful people, not a revenge. |
I agree to your point as a civilian, thats how it is made to look; that we are destroying Hizbollah, we are after Hizboolah...etc; but you have to admit that your govt. is not actually after Hizbollah, but took it as an excuse to destroy a prospering country back to 50 years back. Hizbollah is in South Lebanon. How would you justify total anihiliation of a country? Like this:
-55 out of 56 bridges destroyed
-international airport destroyed
-the whole south of beirut turned to rubble
-over 800,000 people displaced
-over 400 innocent civilians killed (over 30% children and two thirds of them familes)
-whole villages destroyed.
-Every single major road has been carpeted bombed
-major oil spil causing Enviromental catastrophe
-IDF bombed 40% of Lebanons oil supplies.
-every port bombed
-hospitals bombed
-every petrol station in the south bombed
-thousands of civilain homes destroyed
-red cross amblances bombed
The facts speak for themselves...For what? Hizboolah? The israelis have a lot to answer for. The first being war crimes. |
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| Flotser |
| quote: | Originally posted by Purple
-55 out of 56 bridges destroyed
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to make it more difficult for Hizbulla to recieve supply of more rockets and weapons. And in first days bridges were bombed to make it more difficult to carry away the kidnapped soldiers.
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-international airport destroyed
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same explanation as above.
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-the whole south of beirut turned to rubble
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exatcly, only south of Beirut. South of beirut is fully controlled by Hizbulla, their main offices are there and also Nasralla lives there.
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-over 800,000 people displaced
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How else you sugest fighting against Hizbulla?
Alot of people in Israel are displaced too. There are 5 more people in our appartment now beacsue our relitives from noth of Israel ran away from the Hizbulla rocket fires.
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-over 400 innocent civilians killed (over 30% children and two thirds of them familes)
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I realy don't think all 400 are innocent.
Anyway it is really sad. these are sad consequences of war.
And I don't know if the fact about 30% children is correct.
U.N. official that came to Lebanon said himself that Hizbulla are hiding behind innocent civillians, that is their main tactic.
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-whole villages destroyed.
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Are you sure? Even Beit Jabel the main Hizbulla stronghold/village wan't destroyed, and about 9 israeli soldiers were killed there. If the village was destroyed from air, these soldiers were alive today.
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-Every single major road has been carpeted bombed
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Again, to make it difficult for Hizbulla to get weapons and rockets supply, and move from place to place.
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-major oil spil causing Enviromental catastrophe
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Israel shares almost the same sea shore with Lebanon, so you realy believe this is intentional?
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-IDF bombed 40% of Lebanons oil supplies.
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don't know if it's 40%. And this is not a war crime.
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-every port bombed
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thats not true, not all ports. if all ports were bombed, so how come there was an ivacuation of foreign cevilians thorugh the sea?
Thats not true. It is true however that several hospitals in Israel were hit by Hizbulla rockets in the past days. Naharia hospital was hit severly.
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-every petrol station in the south bombed
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don't know what it means.
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-thousands of civilain homes destroyed
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thousands? give me a break. Hizbulla memebers are civillians too who live in civilian homes. Lots of these homes were used to store rockets and weapons.
and how many civilian homes were destroyed in Israel by Hizbulla rocket fire? several millions of Israelis are under the threat of Hizbulla long range rockets.
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-red cross amblances bombed
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proof??
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Why don't we look at list of places that weren't bombed:
- Lebanon goverment and parliment offices.
- Lebaneese army (except a navy base used to attack the israeli ship)
- Parts of Lebanon that are not assosiated with Hizbulla.
- This list is very long. |
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| tathi |
this abhorrent Israeli State-Sanctioned Terrorism has got to stop! :(
| quote: | Sydney Morning Herald
An Israeli air strike killed at least 54 Lebanese civilians, including 37 children, in the southern village of Qana today, police said. It was the bloodiest single attack during Israel's 19-day-old war on Hezbollah.
The attack prompted the Lebanese government to cancel a planned visit to Beirut by US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.
Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora said he would hold no negotiations before a ceasefire and officials said they had told Rice to stay away from Beirut until the fighting stopped.
Siniora denounced "Israeli war criminals". He demanded an immediate, unconditional ceasefire and an international investigation into "Israeli massacres".
Lebanon's premier, Fouad Senioria, said: "There is no place on this sad morning for any discussion other than an immediate and unconditional ceasefire as well as an international investigation into the Israeli massacres in Lebanon now."
The air strike, whose target was not immediately clear, occurred as Rice was in Jerusalem on a mission to persuade Israel and Lebanon to agree on an international force to deploy on the border.
Israel's offensive in Lebanon will continue, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert told his cabinet today. Israel's air force was unaware that civilians were sheltering in the building, the military chief said.
Mothers embraced their dead children in shock today as rescue workers tackled the rubble and dust of buildings flattened by the raids.
Rescue workers using only their bare hands searched through piles of debris - all the Israeli raids left behind of the buildings - while distraught women joined in to retrieve the bodies and take them away.
A three-storey building in Qana where dozens of displaced civilians were sheltering and several other houses were destroyed in the dawn raid, killing many people in their sleep.
Lebanese Red Cross officials in Beirut said rescuers had extracted 38 bodies from the devastated buildings, including 23 children, and seven wounded. At least 17 more bodies were feared to be still under the rubble, seven of them children.
Red Cross workers covered the corpse of one dead child with a blanket. A woman in a red-patterned dress lay crumpled and lifeless in the broken masonry. A leg poked out from the rubble nearby. Another child lay dead in the street.
Distraught people in Qana screamed in grief and anger amid wrecked buildings as others scrabbled at slabs of concrete with their hands to try to reach people buried in the debris.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/is...4197998127.html
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| quote: | BBC News: Analysis: A second Qana Massacre?
The southern Lebanese town of Qana is known for two events in history, and there could soon be a third as news comes in of rising civilian casualties from an Israeli air strike there.
In realms of biblical narrative, some believe it to be the scene of Jesus Christ's first miracle, turning water into wine during the wedding at Cana of Galilee.
In modern times, it was the scene of one of the bloodiest events of the modern Arab-Israeli conflict, the Israeli shelling of a UN base sheltering Lebanese civilians 10 years ago.
International shock at those deaths - more than 100, and another 100 injured - led to huge pressure for a ceasefire deal bringing an end to Israel's last sustained military operation against Hezbollah militants, codenamed Operation Grapes of Wrath.
The Qana Massacre, as it is known in Lebanon, remains a powerful symbol for Lebanese people of what they say is Israel's indiscriminate and disproportionate response to Hezbollah's rocket attacks.
'No accident'
Israel still insists the 1996 shelling was an accident and that its forces had a legitimate militant target - a Hezbollah military unit that had fired mortars and rockets from near the Qana base.
Then, as now, Israel accused Hezbollah of using the civilian population as human shields when they launched their attacks.
However, a UN investigation reported in May 1996 that the deaths at the Qana base were unlikely to have been the result of an accident as claimed by the Israelis.
The UN report cited the repeated use of airburst shells over the small UN compound, which sent down a deadly torrent of shrapnel that caused terrible injuries among the unprotected civilians.
The UN also noted the presence of Israeli helicopters and a drone in the skies over Qana which must have witnessed the bloodbath.
In the current round of Israel's bombardment, Qana has again been in the news - the scene of several incidents, such as the bombing by Israel of two Lebanese Red Cross ambulances and the death of a young Lebanese photojournalist, Layal Nejib, also in an air strike on her car.
Looking at the map, it is not hard to see why Qana is never far from the headlines when Israel bombards southern Lebanon.
It lies at the northern edge of the Lebanon's southern uplands which border Israel and also at the confluence of five strategic roads in the hinterland south-east of the southern city of Tyre.
Qana and the villages surrounding it are a strong pro-Hezbollah area and Israel says it has repeatedly been used to fire rockets over the border about 10km (six miles) to the south.
Israeli officials say leaflets had been dropped in the area warning civilians to leave their homes so it could conduct more anti-Hezbollah operations.
However, it seems clear that, with the number of civilian cars and convoys which have been bombed on the roads heading to Tyre, many residents chose to ignore the Israeli warnings
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5228554.stm
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| psychosomatica |
| quote: | Originally posted by Haunted
umm..nice argument? go read a history book, jews were always hated and never for a good reason. people were just brainwashed by christian and muslim radicals and this still continues today. europe is largely anti-semetic, and this is rising, probably due to the rising muslim population in europe. |
Give me a break. Open a history book? I already have. You should just stop with your generalizations. People don't hate others for no good reason... you're basically trying to argue that people are born jew-haters. And "never for a good reason" is how YOU see it. I mean take for example... jews killed jesus. Now I'm no religious person, but some people might take that personally that the head of their religion was killed by.. well another religion. Or how about the lebanese that were rioting in front of the UN recently. I don't think ALL of them had beef with Israel; a new generation is going to grow up "hating jews" because of what happened when they were young. So your accusations of unfounded bigotry is not true. But that's not to say that it doesn't exist... just that it doesn't exist in all cases.
Furthermore, Europe is not anti-semitic. There are people in Europe who are anti-semitic. Some are pro-israeli and my guess is the majority really doesn't give a .
So this is a message out to those people who post the "why does everyone hate us" articles... it's bull. Please don't victimize yourselves... Me personally, I disagree with Israel and its actions. Does that make me a jew hater? I want to know. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by psychosomatica
I disagree with Israel and its actions. Does that make me a jew hater? I want to know. |
No matter what you say in regards of Israel somhow they will twist everything to make you look as if you are anti-semetic. |
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| FastFashion |
| i cant believe no one is stopping Isreal..ESPECIALLY the U.S....hmmmm I WONDER WHY:wtf: |
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| jonSun |
| quote: | Originally posted by FastFashion
i cant believe no one is stopping Isreal..ESPECIALLY the U.S....hmmmm I WONDER WHY:wtf: |
Yep, thats whats making me more sick with this whole situation. My countrys govt cries about terrorism but is supporting Israel which is #1 in state sponsored terrorism. |
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| Haunted |
| yup the jews killed jesus, you really are an idiot. |
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| Purple |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
No matter what you say in regards of Israel somhow they will twist everything to make you look as if you are anti-semetic. |
WORD!!
I am against Israel's policy, but whenever someone protests against it or opposes it; Israel make it look like we are against their race or something. |
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| metalgearsolid |
| quote: | Originally posted by Purple
WORD!!
I am against Israel's policy, but whenever someone protests against it or opposes it; Israel make it look like we are against their race or something. |
Purple, that would be because you are against their race. |
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| venomX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Purple
WORD!!
I am against Israel's policy, but whenever someone protests against it or opposes it; Israel make it look like we are against their race or something. |
It's because they live in the past, they haven't overcome their past and have developed nasty complexes. All these war in the middle east are the result of people continuing to look at the past instead of trying to build a better future regardless of who did what to who two thousand years ago. Seriously. |
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