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Breaking News: Isreal and Lebanon at War? (pg. 67)
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| psychosomatica |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Only in your wet dreams! lol :rolleyes: |
Actually.. I don't think it's that inconceivable. If Washington walks away, they're pretty much screwed. I believe the American people understood more about their relationship with Israel, there might be a public backlash. I'm not talking about Israel's contentious actions either. Israel gets about 3B usd of aid per year from the US (no strings attached, a condition which does not exist in any other aid agreement). I think it's been estimated that Israel has received 140B from the US since its inception. As a practical godless citizen, I would ask myself why my government gives $10 of my money to these guys I don't even know. Now, of course, there are those who are considered part of the 'Israel Lobby' or whatever you want to call it. But many of these are politicians which would have to change their stance if the perception of the American public changed (which I don't believe is too far away given the amount of information available today). All those vetoes and money would disappear in a flash.
The argument that Israel is the ally of the United States blah blah blah spreading democracy... all makes no sense. They're not even there to spread the American agenda. They can't do anything for America... unlike say China.. or Pakistan or India. And remember, this is ALL from a practical point of view.. no religious, political or economic biases. |
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| ogvh5150 |
| quote: | U.N.: Observers made many calls before strike
Annan, China condemn attack that killed 4
BEIRUT, Lebanon (CNN) -- The U.N. observers killed when an Israeli bomb hit their bunker in Lebanon Tuesday called an Israeli military liaison about 10 times in the six hours before they died to warn that aerial attacks were getting close to their position, a U.N. officer said.
After each call, the Israeli officer promised to have the bombing stopped, an officer at the U.N. Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) base in Noqoura said.
Finally, an Israeli bomb exploded directly on the U.N. post near Khiyam, killing four U.N. observers from Austria, Finland, Canada and China, the U.N. officer said.
As of Wednesday morning, three of the four bodies had been recovered from the rubble, an officer at the UNIFIL base in Noqoura said.
Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev said the incident would be "thoroughly investigated" and that the Israeli military had taken measures since the start of its bombardment of southern Lebanon to protect the U.N. observers there.
"Israel would never deliberately target U.N. personnel," Mark Regev said.
According to Regev, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert called U.N.Secretary-General Kofi Annan and "expressed his regret at this tragedy in Lebanon."
Annan issued a sharply worded statement Tuesday evening which said he was "shocked and deeply distressed by the apparently deliberate targeting ... of a U.N. observer post in southern Lebanon." He called on Israel to conduct "a full investigation into this very disturbing incident."
"This coordinated artillery and aerial attack on a long established and clearly marked U.N. post at Khiyam occurred despite personal assurances given to me by Prime Minister Ehud Olmert that U.N. positions would be spared Israeli fire," Annan said.
"Furthermore, General Alain Pelligrini, the U.N. force commander in south Lebanon, had been in repeated contact with Israeli officers throughout the day on Tuesday, stressing the need to protect that particular U.N. position from attack."
The timeline provided CNN by a U.N. officer in Lebanon showed the first bomb exploded about 200 yards from the U.N. outpost at 1:20 p.m. Tuesday, prompting the first call by the UNIFIL observers to their designated contact with the Israeli military. The officer said they were assured by the Israeli liaison that he would stop the attacks.
A series of about nine more bombs hit within 100 to 400 yards from the observers over the next several hours, with a call to the Israeli military following each explosion.
The U.N. base at Noqoura lost contact with the outpost at 7:40 p.m., apparently the time of the direct hit, the officer said.
China issued a strong condemnation of the Israeli airstrike, according to a statement posted on the Chinese Foreign Ministry Web site Wednesday.
"China urges the concerned sides, especially Israel, to take tangible measures to ensure the security of UN peacekeepers," said Foreign Ministry spokesman Liu Jianchao.
China's state-run news agency -- Xinhau -- said Chinese Assistant Foreign Minister Zhai Jun called in Israeli Ambassador Yehoyada Haim Wednesday morning to discuss the attack.
"China strongly condemns the activity to raid the UN peacekeeping post and urge Israel to carry out thorough investigation and apologize to China and the victim's families and coordinate with China to deal with the aftermath," Xinhau quoted Zhao as telling the Israeli ambassador.
Xinhua said the Chinese observer killed was Du Zhaoyu.
Journalist Anthony Mills in Beruit contributed to this report.
Find this article at:
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/m...deast.observers |
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Israel troops 'ignored' UN plea
The UN deaths have provoked an international outcry
The UN post
UN peacekeepers in south Lebanon contacted Israeli troops 10 times before an Israeli bomb killed four of them, an initial UN report says. The post was hit by a precision-guided missile after six hours of shelling, diplomats familiar with the probe say.
UN-led crisis talks in Rome ended with no agreement to urge an immediate ceasefire between Israel and Hezbollah.
Eight Israeli soldiers have died in ongoing clashes - the biggest loss in one incident since the conflict began.
Twenty-two soldiers were injured as Israeli troops tried to gain control of the town of Bint Jbeil, a strategically located Hezbollah stronghold.
An Israeli officer died in a separate clash later.
And a massive explosion destroyed a several-storey building in the centre of Tyre housing the offices of a top Hezbollah commander.
He was not there at the time.
A senior Israel army general said he expected the fighting would continue for "several more weeks".
More than 400 Lebanese and 42 Israelis have died in two weeks of conflict, which began after Hezbollah captured two Israeli soldiers in a cross-border raid on 12 July.
In other developments:
- Hezbollah fired more than 100 rockets into Israel, injuring 31 people, security and medical sources say
- A Jordanian military plane arrived in Beirut to evacuate some of the most seriously wounded Lebanese civilians
- Ten lorries loaded with food and medical supplies arrived in the southern town of Tyre from the capital, Beirut
- Hezbollah's leader Hassan Nasrallah warned on TV that his organisation would begin firing rockets further south into Israel than Haifa
- More than 300 people - mainly US and Australian citizens - who had been caught in the fighting in southern Lebanon are due to leave from Tyre on a Canadian ferry on Wednesday evening
Israeli regrets
The four unarmed UN observers from Austria, Canada, China and Finland, died after their UN post in the town of Khiam was hit by an Israeli air strike on Tuesday.
I cannot believe the level of force with which Israel has decided to retaliate in Lebanon
Glen, Edinburgh
The UN report says each time the UN contacted Israeli forces, they were assured the firing would stop. A senior Irish soldier working for the UN forces had warned the Israelis six times that their bombardment was endangering the lives of UN staff, Ireland's foreign ministry said.
Had Israel responded to the requests, "rather than deliberately ignoring them", the observers would still be alive, a diplomat familiar with the report said.
Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has expressed "deep regrets" over the deaths.
Israel is conducting an investigation into the incident.
It has rejected accusations made by UN Secretary General Kofi Annan that the targeting of the UN position was "apparently deliberate".
White House spokesman Tony Snow said "something went really wrong" to cause the deaths, but also said there was no reason to suggest the bombing was deliberate.
The UN Security Council is meeting to discuss the incident.
'Utmost urgency'
The Rome summit, called by US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, brought together EU and Arab nations plus the US and Russia, but not Israel, Iran or Syria.
The conference released a declaration expressing "determination to work immediately to reach with utmost urgency a ceasefire to put an end to the current hostilities". It also said a ceasefire "must be lasting, permanent and sustainable".
The statement called for an international force with a UN mandate for south Lebanon, and the full implementation of existing UN Security Council resolutions calling for the disarming of militias and deployment of Lebanese troops in the border region.
Mr Annan said it was important to work with the countries of the region, including Syria and Iran, to find a solution to the crisis.
But Condoleezza Rice was critical of the role of both countries.
"It's not a question of talking to Syria, it's whether Syria's prepared to act," she said.
In an impassioned speech, Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora warned that more people would die if the ceasefire was delayed, and called for a Lebanese-Israeli prisoner exchange as part of plan to end the fighting.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/...ast/5217176.stm
Published: 2006/07/26 21:34:20 GMT
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Used without permission for non-commercial educational use only. All rights reserved. |
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| Shakka |
| quote: | Originally posted by Purple
This is not what I asked for.
These are after the invasion, I am asking for any terrorist incident before the arrest and invasion of Lebanon.
This is an article decribing the war, what you expect country's army people to do once you invade it? Spread flowers for your welcome?
I am asking for a link to most recent terrorist act commited by Hizbollah. Eg: Hizbollah members blowing themselves up in cafeteria, shopping mall etc. |
It is virtually unaniumously acknowledged that Hezbollah instigated this. What is your point? Do you want to argue the stance of proportionality? The argument there is that Israel has been shunned, persecuted and attacked for decades. Hezbollah is nothing more than a state sponsored terrorist organization. Their ultimate elimination will be a boon for the entire world. Israel does not intend to leave the job unfinished this time as it would only leave open the door for Hezbollah to regroup and instigate another day. |
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| jonSun |
| Every1 on the Jew side is saying Hezbollah Hezbollah . But wasnt Hezbollah started as a reaction to Israel invading their country.?? its like the people here in America bitching abt terrorism in Iraq. What the do u expect, we invaded thier country. If any country did infact invade america, i would expect there to be more terrorism against the invader then ever seen b4 by americans defending thier land. I know if some foreign country invaded america i would do whatever i could to get them out. |
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| BiG-_BoSS |
Yes, this happened when the Jews lost the war thousands of years ago and they can't let it go. They lost the war and they haven't forgotten for the love of god doesn't their god teach them that anything about forgiving and love? Just imagine how long the Jews will remember the concentration camps for? can anybody say until the human species ends? |
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| jonSun |
Ya no its been going on for abt forever, but why escalate it & invade countries. Then on top of it even try to colonize those countries to annex them. Its asking for trouble. Just like the U.S. asked for trouble with Iraq. |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by ogvh5150
Used without permission for non-commercial educational use only. All rights reserved. |
| quote: | Wednesday, July 26, 2006
Canadian killed from UN force complained his position shielding Hizbullah
Canadian killed from UN force complained his position shielding Hizbullah
Dr. Aaron Lerner Date: 26 July 2006
"...the tragic loss of a soldier yesterday who I happen to know and I think
probably is from my Regiment. We've received e-mails from him a few days ago
and he described the fact that he was taking within - in one case - three
meters of his position "for tactical necessity - not being targeted". Now
that's veiled speech in the military and what he was telling us was
Hizbullah fighters were all over his position and the IDF were (sic)
targeting them and that's a favorite trick by people who don't have
representation in the UN. They use the UN as shields knowing that they
can't be punished for it."
Retired Canadian Major General Lewis MacKenzie interviewed on CBC Toronto
radio 26 July 2006
For recording:
http://cbc.ca/metromorning/media/20060726LMCJUL26.ram
Dr. Aaron Lerner, Director IMRA (Independent Media Review & Analysis)
(Mail POB 982 Kfar Sava)
Tel 972-9-7604719/Fax 972-3-7255730
INTERNET ADDRESS: [email protected]
Website: http://www.imra.org.il
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by ogvh5150
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from UNIFIL's own recent report. trust me, you wont here this stuff in the MSM press.
| quote: | | Another UN position of the Ghanaian battalion in the area of Marwahin in the western sector was also directly hit by one mortar round from the Hezbollah side last night. The round did not explode, and there were no casualties or material damage. Another 5 incidents of firing close to UN positions from the Israeli side were reported yesterday. It was also reported that Hezbollah fired from the vicinity of four UN positions at Alma ash Shab, Tibnin, Bra, and At Tiri. All UNIFIL positions remain occupied and maintained by the troops. |
>>UNIFIL report (PDF)<< |
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| Demoted |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
from UNIFIL's own recent report. trust me, you wont here this stuff in the MSM press.
>>UNIFIL report (PDF)<< |
Makes me wonder why the American press isn't covering this alleged attack by Hezbollah on the U.N. as it's strong lean toward Israel's side. |
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| jonSun |
| quote: | Originally posted by Demoted
Makes me wonder why the American press isn't covering this alleged attack by Hezbollah on the U.N. as it's strong lean toward Israel's side. |
Yep i was wondering the same thing. |
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