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Mccain-Palin 08! (pg. 12)
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Conservatives are just pissed of their man doesn't get the kind of lovin Obama gets everywhere he goes. In America or around the world. You won't see 200,000 Germans show up for a McCain speech. |
I doubt he can even get 200,000 people to show up in his own country.
Is it true that that no one is buying tickets for the Republican convention so they are giving tickets away for free?:p |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
I dount he can even get 200,000 people to show up in his own country.
Is it true that that no one is buying tickets for the Republican convention so they are giving tickets away for free?:p |
i dunno but the Repubs are definately trying to project themselves as the party of change. That's probably why McCain chose Palin because she is supposedly known as a reformer in Alaska, even though she was only governor for 18 months. She's already coming out with the stump speeches talking about their candidacy as one of reform, etc. etc.. EVEN THOUGH...McCain voted 90% with George Bush! So this reform they preach about...yea, doesn't really look like reform when you vote 90% with George W Bush. |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
i dunno but the Repubs are definately trying to project themselves as the party of change. That's probably why McCain chose Palin because she is supposedly known as a reformer in Alaska, even though she was only governor for 18 months. She's already coming out with the stump speeches talking about their candidacy as one of reform, etc. etc.. EVEN THOUGH...McCain voted 90% with George Bush! So this reform they preach about...yea, doesn't really look like reform when you vote 90% with George W Bush. |
Who cares... Obama voted with his party 97% of the time. As for Palin, she is/was a reformer, against her own party cleaning up corruption and refused pork projects in her state. Not a bad thing to bring to Washington. Who cares about the PTA and being a Mayor... she has been an elected official who holds a veto pen and makes decisions that Biden and Obama never have. I think a lot of it has to do with authenticity... she is refreshingly genuine and as far away from the beltway fishbowl as you can get. Why is nobody mentioning that Biden's state has only 100,000 more people than Palins'? |
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| Shakka |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
EVEN THOUGH...McCain voted 90% with George Bush! So this reform they preach about...yea, doesn't really look like reform when you vote 90% with George W Bush. |
George Bush doesn't vote. This is really a funny Obama tactic. See Dick Morris' comment that the overwhelming majority of votes in the senate are unanimous--it's just the few that aren't that you hear about. I posted this a few pages back, but I'll post it again:
| quote: | The Obama campaign is dedicated to the idea of chaining John McCain to George Bush. Once again last night we heard that bit about McCain voting with Bush 90% of the time. That line works because the dumb masses don't know any better. Has it occurred to you that George Bush doesn't have a vote in the Senate? So just how do you measure the percentage of times that McCain is voting "with" the president? Well, perhaps you could measure the number of times that a Senator votes with the Republican members. Ahhh ... but remember, as our Washington correspondent Jamie Dupree has told us many times, most Senate votes are unanimous. This would mean that the only way not to "vote with the president" would be not to vote at all. As Dick Morris wrote: "The fact that McCain backs commending a basketball team on its victory doesn't mean that he is in lockstep ideologically with the president."
Morris also points out a series of important issues on which Bush and McCain did not agree:
* McCain fought for campaign finance reform — McCain-Feingold — that Bush resisted and ultimately signed because he had no choice.
* McCain led the battle to restrict interrogation techniques of terror suspects and to ban torture.
* McCain went with Joe Lieberman on a tough measure to curb climate change, something Bush denies is going on.
* McCain opposed the Bush tax cuts when they passed.
* McCain urged the Iraq surge, a posture Bush rejected for years before conceding its wisdom.
* McCain favors FDA regulation of tobacco and sponsored legislation to that effect, a position all but a handful of Republican senators oppose.
* McCain's energy bill, also with Lieberman, is a virtual blueprint for energy independence and development of alternate sources.
* After the Enron scandal, McCain introduced sweeping reforms in corporate governance and legislation to guarantee pensions and prohibit golden parachutes for executives. Bush opposed McCain's changes and the watered-down Sarbanes-Oxley bill eventuated.
* McCain has been harshly critical of congressional overspending, particularly of budgetary earmarks, a position Bush only lately adopted (after the Democrats took over Congress).
Using the same methodology you would probably find that most Democrat senators also voted with Bush 90% of the time. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
so let me get this straight Fir3,you think he wouldnt be a good president because he didnt visit the troop? |
Visiting the troops in GERMANY, not in the Middle East (which he had already done). The Pentagon told him not to, and he obeyed. He wasn't traveling with his Senate staff; he was traveling as part of the campaign - that's why he met with Merkel, Sarkozy, etc. - to discuss what policies he would pursue as President of the United States, not as a Senator.
It's a complete non-issue, but people like firestarter feel the need to blow things out of proportion so they can be shrill about something. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
George Bush doesn't vote. This is really a funny Obama tactic. See Dick Morris' comment that the overwhelming majority of votes in the senate are unanimous--it's just the few that aren't that you hear about. I posted this a few pages back, but I'll post it again: |
I think it's been pretty well documented how McCain USED to vote independently, but has become much more in line with Bush over time (from like 70% in 2002 to 100% so far in 2008). |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
Who cares... Obama voted with his party 97% of the time. As for Palin, she is/was a reformer, against her own party cleaning up corruption and refused pork projects in her state. Not a bad thing to bring to Washington. Who cares about the PTA and being a Mayor... she has been an elected official who holds a veto pen and makes decisions that Biden and Obama never have. |
The self-parody is rich. :stongue:
McCain doesn't have any of this so-called executive experience either!!!
Nobody gives a how many years of "executive" experience someone has - it's experience dealing with issues that affect the entire nation that's important! - and it's absurd to think being the head of a Senate staff, or the Chair of a Senate Committee, or the executive of a 50-state Presidential campaign isn't at least as much experience as presiding over town council meetings in a village.
Please, keep posting about how much you love this pick. You guys have been cracking me up all weekend. |
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| MisterOpus1 |
Uh oh, criticism from *gasp* conservatives at the National Review? Yikes:
| quote: | Palin Pick [Shannen Coffin]
I was travelling on business yesterday, so had some time to reflect on the pick before posting my reaction. My immediate reaction to the announcement was relief. Given the options that McCain was considering, at least he chose someone who is apparently conservative both socially and fiscally. It seemed like a decent political play to undecideds, while at the same time shoring up the base, something that McCain always has to be concerned about. But as the day wore on, it didn't hold up. Palin seems a perfectly charming, All-American success story. There is very little not to like in her story. But the notion of plucking a governor with less than two years of experience that would count for anything (unless your a fan of movies like Dave) to serve as Vice President to a 72-year old President is troubling, to say the least. The pick comes with enormous risk, both as a matter of politics, and more importantly, governance. As a political matter, the Obama camp must be breathing a sigh of relief that it can now run ads that say, "Is SHE ready to lead?" It effectively blunts any criticism that Obama is not ready for prime time, which was only the most effective line of attack that Steve Schmidt had developed for McCain. After all, her career in the "city council" and as mayor of a town few outside of Alaska have ever heard of doesn't exactly prepare her to preside over National Security Council meetings in the President's absence, to serve as a close adviser to the President on counterterrorism issues, or to have the nuke "football" at her side 24/7. And I say this as a guy who 1) grew up in a similar sized town in Louisiana that no one outside of Webster Parish has ever heard of, and 2) spent the 2005-07 as Counsel to the sitting Vice President — so I have some perspective on both from whence she came and what the job can involve. That lack of experience is a political liability for the very reason that it is a real liability.
The choice also says a lot about McCain. First, that he is a bit desparate. McCain likely thought it would be difficult to make a splash with a conventional Republican sidekick. Changing the subject from Thursday's Obama-thon would be difficult with Mit Romney or Kay Bailey Hutchinson (who would have been an awful choice anyway) by his side. The choice of Palin certainly gives us all something new to talk about. And she is fresh, smart (as far as I can tell from a brief time studying her), enthusiastic and energetic. But it is a bit of a political Hail Mary pass. Second, that he is one arrogant SOB. McCain is essentially telling the world that he doesn't really need a Vice President. It is hard to imagine Palin playing the same sort of role that modern Vice Presidents like Gore, Bush, Cheney, or Mondale played. Rather, the Office would seem poised to return to the "proverbial warm bucket of p***" category. McCain has thus made a purely political play without regard for the governance concerns. And how could he really have a good idea of how she would govern? My understanding is that he only met with her once before choosing her.
Sarah Palin is a remarkable American success story — the kind of person that most Americans would love to befriend. She also is a huge political gamble, one that blunts the most effective line of attack on Barack Obama. There are substantial questions in the minds of many Americans about Barack's ability and experience to lead the country. But if John McCain has said that a year plus of statewide office (plus some small town politics) is good enough, why isn't state legislature and a couple of visits to the floor of the U.S. Senate? There is tremendous upside to the gamble, given Palin's story and charisma. But it will be hard to fend off the experience attacks when they come in earnest.
http://corner.nationalreview.com/po...Dk4NDcwZjg4MDg= |
And Frum has a little bitter taste in his mouth too:
| quote: | Here's I fear the worst harm that may be done by this selection. The McCain campaign's slogan is "country first." It's a good slogan, and it aptly describes John McCain, one of the most self-sacrificing, gallant, and honorable men ever to seek the presidency.
But question: If it were your decision, and you were putting your country first, would you put an untested small-town mayor a heartbeat away from the presidency?
http://frum.nationalreview.com/post...DljMDc2NjliZDk= |
And it appears that Conservatives are through with their dear sweet Palin trying to woo over Clinton voters (which is a ing hilarious desperate attempt to even consider anyway):
| quote: | This might not be the best way to reach out to those disillusioned Hillary Clinton supporters.
In just her second appearance on the campaign trail with John McCain, newly-minted GOP running mate Sarah Palin was showered with boos on Saturday for attempting to praise Clinton’s trail-blazing bid to become the first female president.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...illary-clinton/ |
Hee hee. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
I'm just going to preface this with the fact that Maureen Dowd is a woman... because this NYTimes Op-Ed is a nuclear missile aimed right at Sarah Palin's face.
| quote: | Op-Ed Columnist
Vice in Go-Go Boots?
By MAUREEN DOWD
Published: August 31, 2008
The guilty pleasure I miss most when I’m out slogging on the campaign trail is the chance to sprawl on the chaise and watch a vacuously spunky and generically sassy chick flick.
So imagine my delight, my absolute astonishment, when the hokey chick flick came out on the trail, a Cinderella story so preposterous it’s hard to believe it’s not premiering on Lifetime. Instead of going home and watching “Miss Congeniality” with Sandra Bullock, I get to stay here and watch “Miss Congeniality” with Sarah Palin.
Sheer heaven.
It’s easy to see where this movie is going. It begins, of course, with a cute, cool unknown from Alaska who has never even been on “Meet the Press” triumphing over a cute, cool unknowable from Hawaii who has been on “Meet the Press” a lot.
Americans, suspicious that the Obamas have benefited from affirmative action without being properly grateful, and skeptical that Michelle really likes “The Brady Bunch” and “The Dick Van Dyke Show,” reject the 47-year-old black contender as too uppity and untested.
Instead, they embrace 72-year-old John McCain and 44-year-old Sarah Palin, whose average age is 58, a mere two years older than the average age of the Obama-Biden ticket. Enthusiastic Republicans don’t see the choice of Palin as affirmative action, despite her thin résumé and gaping absence of foreign policy knowledge, because they expect Republicans to put an underqualified “babe,” as Rush Limbaugh calls her, on the ticket. They have a tradition of nominating fun, bantamweight cheerleaders from the West, like the previous Miss Congeniality types Dan Quayle and W., and then letting them learn on the job. So they crash into the globe a few times while they’re learning to drive, what’s the big deal?
Obama may have been president of The Harvard Law Review, but Palin graduated from the University of Idaho with a minor in poli-sci and worked briefly as a TV sports reporter. And she was tougher on the basketball court than the ethereal Obama, earning the nickname “Sarah Barracuda.”
The legacy of Geraldine Ferraro was supposed to be that no one would ever go on a blind date with history again. But that crazy maverick and gambler McCain does it, and conservatives and evangelicals rally around him in admiration of his refreshingly cynical choice of Sarah, an evangelical Protestant and anti-abortion crusader who became a hero when she decided to have her baby, who has Down syndrome, and when she urged schools to debate creationism as well as that stuffy old evolution thing.
Palinistas, as they are called, love Sarah’s spunky, relentlessly quirky “Northern Exposure” story from being a Miss Alaska runner-up, and winning Miss Congeniality, to being mayor and hockey mom in Wasilla, a rural Alaskan town of 6,715, to being governor for two years to being the first woman ever to run on a national Republican ticket. (Why do men only pick women as running mates when they need a Hail Mary pass? It’s a little insulting.)
Sarah is a zealot, but she’s a fun zealot. She has a beehive and sexy shoes, and the day she’s named she goes shopping with McCain in Ohio for a cheerleader outfit for her daughter.
As she once told Vogue, she’s learned the hard way to deal with press comments about her looks. “I wish they’d stick with the issues instead of discussing my black go-go boots,” she said. “A reporter once asked me about it during the campaign, and I assured him I was trying to be as frumpy as I could by wearing my hair on top of my head and these schoolmarm glasses.”
This chick flick, naturally, features a wild stroke of fate, when the two-year governor of an oversized igloo becomes commander in chief after the president-elect chokes on a pretzel on day one.
The movie ends with the former beauty queen shaking out her pinned-up hair, taking off her glasses, slipping on ruby red peep-toe platform heels that reveal a pink French-style pedicure, and facing down Vladimir Putin in an island in the Bering Strait. Putting away her breast pump, she points her rifle and informs him frostily that she has some expertise in Russia because it’s close to Alaska. “Back off, Commie dude,” she says. “I’m a much better shot than Cheney.”
Then she takes off in her seaplane and lands on the White House lawn, near the new ice fishing hole and hockey rink. The “First Dude,” as she calls the hunky Eskimo in the East Wing, waits on his snowmobile with the kids — Track (named after high school track meets), Bristol (after Bristol Bay where they did commercial fishing), Willow (after a community in Alaska), Piper (just a cool name) and Trig (Norse for “strength.”)
“The P.T.A. is great preparation for dealing with the K.G.B.,” President Palin murmurs to Todd, as they kiss in the final scene while she changes Trig’s diaper. “Now that Georgia’s safe, how ’bout I cook you up some caribou hot dogs and moose stew for dinner, babe?” |
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/31/o...RdfaTSozszNmq5w |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Conservatives are just pissed of their man doesn't get the kind of lovin Obama gets everywhere he goes. In America or around the world. You won't see 200,000 Germans show up for a McCain speech. |
You actually think 200,000 showed up for Obama?
hahahaahaha....sorry. |
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| mndeg |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
George Bush doesn't vote. This is really a funny Obama tactic. See Dick Morris' comment that the overwhelming majority of votes in the senate are unanimous--it's just the few that aren't that you hear about. I posted this a few pages back, but I'll post it again: |
and how many of those has he flipped flopped on? supporting the mccain of '04 is fine but the mccain of '08 not fine.
earmarks are a scapegoat. |
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