Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
First of all, people who supported Hilary shouldn't be shopping in Walmarts because they should know the evils of that corporation.
You do realize that Hillary was on the Wal-Mart board of directors in the 80s-early 90s, right?
Capitalizt
Mccain is now tied or ahead in virtually all of the polls. I knew this would happen... Half the damn women in the country are going to vote for him without thinking...without caring about his policies. We're f*cked.
LazFX
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Originally posted by Capitalizt
Mccain is now tied or ahead in virtually all of the polls. I knew this would happen... Half the damn women in the country are going to vote for him without thinking...without caring about his policies. We're f*cked.
I fear the same .....
Obama needs more of these kind of ads
This is going to be a fire storm once it gets closer....
I am actually scared that this nation is going to up once again...
even though the dems are coming out and bringing in new voters, these GOP religious pukes are starting to get riled up...
Lebezniatnikov
HardTranceProd
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Originally posted by Capitalizt
Mccain is now tied or ahead in virtually all of the polls. I knew this would happen... Half the damn women in the country are going to vote for him without thinking...without caring about his policies. We're f*cked.
you think women are that stupid? you think women themselves want to go back to pre-Roe-vs.-Wade times? If this is the case, then women's worst enemy is their own gender.
Dj Smitty20
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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
You do realize that Hillary was on the Wal-Mart board of directors in the 80s-early 90s, right?
yeah but I'm pretty sure she would put A LOT of distance between herself and the corporate monstrosity that Walmart has become in the last ten to twenty years.
As for the polls, I can't say that I am surprised...but it's only September. The debates haven't happened yet and the conventions are only just ended. Let's see what the polls say after the Biden-Palin debate.
The novelty of this nutjob will wear off and the female votes that are affecting the polls will, in my opinion, be offset by the number of women who realise that she is regressive when it comes to women's issues, not progressive. I'm surprised the media is licking her birdie as much as they currently are though.
If people can't see the political motivation behind McCain's pick now, then they are beyond hopeless.
The17sss
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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
The novelty of this nutjob will wear off and the female votes that are affecting the polls will, in my opinion, be offset by the number of women who realise that she is regressive when it comes to women's issues, not progressive.
If people can't see the political motivation behind McCain's pick now, then they are beyond hopeless.
Kind of like the novelty of Obama picking Biden for foreign policy experience because it is an obvious crutch for him? How is that a different tactic? You can say the exact same thing about obvious political motiviation... why else would he choose someone who 6 months ago said he didn't think Obama was ready to be president and would be honored to run with McCain?
Ok, I don't get why it would be regressive to women. Palin, agree with her or not, represents exactly what the feminists claim to strive for... a strong willed woman who can rise to the top independantly while still having a family. Is it only progressive if the progress aids a left wing agenda? I'd hate to have to revisit this theory if and when Hillary runs again. In fact, I submit to you that Hillary is enjoying this because Obama losing gives her front running status in 2012. It's obvious to me why the left is floating this nonsense out there though: because of the 20 point shift in white women voters to the McCain campaign as of today's ABC numbers.
Krypton
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Originally posted by LazFX
I fear the same .....
Obama needs more of these kind of ads
This is going to be a fire storm once it gets closer....
I am actually scared that this nation is going to up once again...
even though the dems are coming out and bringing in new voters, these GOP religious pukes are starting to get riled up...
BRILLIANT!
Shakka
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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
...she is regressive when it comes to women's issues, not progressive.
This is such bull it's not even funny. She is a successful mother of 5 who is career focused and is aspiring to hold the Vice Presidency of the U.S. This is a monumental step forward for women everywhere. If she were a democrat your foot would be so far down your throat you'd need a crowbar to get it out.
The17sss
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Originally posted by Krypton
BRILLIANT!
psssh! lobbyist ties and flip flopping... Obama should talk.
Krypton
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Originally posted by The17sss
psssh! lobbyist ties and flip flopping... Obama should talk.
He is...see the ad?
Lebezniatnikov
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Originally posted by Shakka
This is such bull it's not even funny. She is a successful mother of 5 who is career focused and is aspiring to hold the Vice Presidency of the U.S. This is a monumental step forward for women everywhere. If she were a democrat your foot would be so far down your throat you'd need a crowbar to get it out.
If she were a democrat with her social views, the same would still be true.
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Palin: wrong woman, wrong message
Sarah Palin shares nothing but a chromosome with Hillary Clinton. She is Phyllis Schlafly, only younger.
By Gloria Steinem
September 4, 2008
Here's the good news: Women have become so politically powerful that even the anti-feminist right wing -- the folks with a headlock on the Republican Party -- are trying to appease the gender gap with a first-ever female vice president. We owe this to women -- and to many men too -- who have picketed, gone on hunger strikes or confronted violence at the polls so women can vote. We owe it to Shirley Chisholm, who first took the "white-male-only" sign off the White House, and to Hillary Rodham Clinton, who hung in there through ridicule and misogyny to win 18 million votes.
But here is even better news: It won't work. This isn't the first time a boss has picked an unqualified woman just because she agrees with him and opposes everything most other women want and need. Feminism has never been about getting a job for one woman. It's about making life more fair for women everywhere. It's not about a piece of the existing pie; there are too many of us for that. It's about baking a new pie.
Selecting Sarah Palin, who was touted all summer by Rush Limbaugh, is no way to attract most women, including die-hard Clinton supporters. Palin shares nothing but a chromosome with Clinton. Her down-home, divisive and deceptive speech did nothing to cosmeticize a Republican convention that has more than twice as many male delegates as female, a presidential candidate who is owned and operated by the right wing and a platform that opposes pretty much everything Clinton's candidacy stood for -- and that Barack Obama's still does. To vote in protest for McCain/Palin would be like saying, "Somebody stole my shoes, so I'll amputate my legs."
This is not to beat up on Palin. I defend her right to be wrong, even on issues that matter most to me. I regret that people say she can't do the job because she has children in need of care, especially if they wouldn't say the same about a father. I get no pleasure from imagining her in the spotlight on national and foreign policy issues about which she has zero background, with one month to learn to compete with Sen. Joe Biden's 37 years' experience.
Palin has been honest about what she doesn't know. When asked last month about the vice presidency, she said, "I still can't answer that question until someone answers for me: What is it exactly that the VP does every day?" When asked about Iraq, she said, "I haven't really focused much on the war in Iraq."
She was elected governor largely because the incumbent was unpopular, and she's won over Alaskans mostly by using unprecedented oil wealth to give a $1,200 rebate to every resident. Now she is being praised by McCain's campaign as a tax cutter, despite the fact that Alaska has no state income or sales tax. Perhaps McCain has opposed affirmative action for so long that he doesn't know it's about inviting more people to meet standards, not lowering them. Or perhaps McCain is following the Bush administration habit, as in the Justice Department, of putting a job candidate's views on "God, guns and gays" ahead of competence. The difference is that McCain is filling a job one 72-year-old heartbeat away from the presidency.
So let's be clear: The culprit is John McCain. He may have chosen Palin out of change-envy, or a belief that women can't tell the difference between form and content, but the main motive was to please right-wing ideologues; the same ones who nixed anyone who is now or ever has been a supporter of reproductive freedom. If that were not the case, McCain could have chosen a woman who knows what a vice president does and who has thought about Iraq; someone like Texas Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison or Sen. Olympia Snowe of Maine. McCain could have taken a baby step away from right-wing patriarchs who determine his actions, right down to opposing the Violence Against Women Act.
Palin's value to those patriarchs is clear: She opposes just about every issue that women support by a majority or plurality. She believes that creationism should be taught in public schools but disbelieves global warming; she opposes gun control but supports government control of women's wombs; she opposes stem cell research but approves "abstinence-only" programs, which increase unwanted births, sexually transmitted diseases and abortions; she tried to use taxpayers' millions for a state program to shoot wolves from the air but didn't spend enough money to fix a state school system with the lowest high-school graduation rate in the nation; she runs with a candidate who opposes the Fair Pay Act but supports $500 million in subsidies for a natural gas pipeline across Alaska; she supports drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Reserve, though even McCain has opted for the lesser evil of offshore drilling. She is Phyllis Schlafly, only younger.
I don't doubt her sincerity. As a lifetime member of the National Rifle Assn., she doesn't just support killing animals from helicopters, she does it herself. She doesn't just talk about increasing the use of fossil fuels but puts a coal-burning power plant in her own small town. She doesn't just echo McCain's pledge to criminalize abortion by overturning Roe vs. Wade, she says that if one of her daughters were impregnated by rape or incest, she should bear the child. She not only opposes reproductive freedom as a human right but implies that it dictates abortion, without saying that it also protects the right to have a child.
So far, the major new McCain supporter that Palin has attracted is James Dobson of Focus on the Family. Of course, for Dobson, "women are merely waiting for their husbands to assume leadership," so he may be voting for Palin's husband.
Being a hope-a-holic, however, I can see two long-term bipartisan gains from this contest.
Republicans may learn they can't appeal to right-wing patriarchs and most women at the same time. A loss in November could cause the centrist majority of Republicans to take back their party, which was the first to support the Equal Rights Amendment and should be the last to want to invite government into the wombs of women.
And American women, who suffer more because of having two full-time jobs than from any other single injustice, finally have support on a national stage from male leaders who know that women can't be equal outside the home until men are equal in it. Barack Obama and Joe Biden are campaigning on their belief that men should be, can be and want to be at home for their children.
This could be huge.
Gloria Steinem is an author, feminist organizer and co-founder of the Women's Media Center. She supported Hillary Clinton and is now supporting Barack Obama.
And the commentary my friend who sent the email added:
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Steinem's argument only briefly touches on abortion rights. The Republican Party does marginalize women. Under George W the pay gap (women make 73 cents on the dollar to men) in this country has increased because of policies and tax plans that allow the rich to get richer and the poor poorer. Women are most effected when health care costs increase, which have sky rocketed during the Bush year's due to little regulation on a profit driven market that cares very little for people, but cares very much for profit.
Teenagers will have sex, abstinence only education causes increased teenage pregnancy rates, STD infections, etc. The burden of these failed policies are felt most by teenage mothers, who end up with children they struggle to take care of, making it more difficult to finish school, get a good paying job, etc. The world is different for women and there is a reason that even feminists who believe abortion is wrong, typically vote Democrat.
The Democratic Party passed the Violence Against Women Act (VAWA), landmark legislation that has given victims of gendered crimes rights and assistance. The Democrats place women, the pay gap, healthcare, the homeless (women are far more likely to be homeless than men), the stratification of wealth, the rights of mothers in the workplace (think daycare, maternity leave, flex hours, etc), etc, etc, etc, etc. in the forefront of their party platform and in their candidates. The Republicans nominated a woman, who has slashed funding to homeless shelters and teen pregnancy programs. A man who opposed the VAWA. The Republicans do not support women's issues, regardless of your stance on abortion.
