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Mccain-Palin 08! (pg. 14)
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
Obama has stated many things that did not pan out, or he reversed himself on. Either way, do you honestly believe the overall amount of money you get to keep will increase with him as president? |
I do because Obama has clearly sided with the middle to lower classes of society as deserving of lower taxes. His record clearly shows he is for the average Joe. Hell, he spent his years out of Law School to be a community organizer in Chicago. What is McCain doing for the average man? |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
no Republicans do. Their policies are directed and funded by the very people and corporations that seek to continue producing toxic emissions into the environment.
Let me get this straight. She's an extreme evengelical who opposes gay rights/marriage and abortions (my my this is REALLY progressive isn't it?), she's been governor of Alaska (because most Americans can identify with ALASKA: population ALL and WHO CARES?!?) for less than two years. ANd she supports the proliferation of gun ownership and apparently owns assault rifles (sounds like a ing redneck to me). But most importantly, her husband is an oil tycoon and her years in office have been defined by poor environmental policies and drilling for oil in wildlife habitats.
This is a good choice for VP? I am losing faith in the US electorate by the ing minute. You guys have to WAKE UP! |
Thats the problem they make the same mistakes over and over again.Now ofcourse there is a load of people that are just sick and tired of their bull government but it seems like the jesus loving hillbillies control the faith of the country SADLY. |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
I do because Obama has clearly sided with the middle to lower classes of society as deserving of lower taxes. His record clearly shows he is for the average Joe. Hell, he spent his years out of Law School to be a community organizer in Chicago. What is McCain doing for the average man? |
For the average Joe? I know that's what he says, but how is there any way to prove that he's "siding" with middle to lower class voters? Where is the voting record and evidence to suggest that's his way? It's not clear at all man. He has a lot of government expansion/programs he wants to build and pay for... where do you think that's going to come from? Obama loves to talk about the future because that's where all his accomplishments are. And what exactly does a "community organizer" do anyway? |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
And what exactly does a "community organizer" do anyway? |
attend Afro-centric, Anti-American separatist churches and collaborate with unrepentant terrorists on left-wing charitable boards like the Annenburg Foundation doling out millions to like-minded "educational" causes with zero measured improvement to public education then later The Woods Fund for 3 years. it's a sweet gig if you can get it. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
It's not just DailyKos running with the grandma story.
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Questions for the McCain-Palin campaign:
Where has Bristol Palin (far right, holding Trig, with a ring on her wedding finger) been for the past year? Has she been attending high school? Or was she absent because of infectious mononucleosis for between five and eight months, as is now being reported on the Internet?
Why would a 43 year old woman, on her fifth pregnancy, with a Down Syndrome child, after her amniotic fluid has started to leak, not go to the nearest hospital immediately, even if she was in Texas for a speech?
Why would she not only not go to the hospital in Texas, but take an eight-hour plane flight to Seattle and then Anchorage?
Why would she choose to deliver the baby not in the nearest major facility in Anchorage but at a much smaller hospital near her home-town?
Why did the flight attendants on the trip home say she bore no signs of being pregnant?
It strikes me as likely that there are reasonable answers to these questions - more reasonable than the only one given so far -
"You can't have a fish picker from Texas," said Todd -
and the rumors buzzing across the Internets and the press corps are unfounded and unseemly. There must be plenty of medical records and obstetricians and medical eye-witnesses prepared to testify to Sarah Palin's giving birth to Trig. There must be a record of Bristol's high school attendance for the past year [she'd been taken out of school for six months for mono - an illness that usually lasts 4-8 weeks]. And surely, surely, the McCain camp did due diligence on this. But the noise around this story is now deafening, and the weirdness of the chronology sufficient to rise to the level of good faith questions. So please give us these answers - and provide medical records for Sarah Palin's pregnancy - and put this to rest.
Let me address one question being lobbed at me. Is raising questions about the Palin pregnancy a smear campaign? Here's why it's not. The circumstantial evidence for weirdness around this pregnancy is so great that legitimate questions arise - questions anyone with common sense would ask. The answers to those questions can easily be provided. This is an easier call than the "cross in the dirt" story, which will never be resolved one way or another. The McCain-Palin campaign can resolve this now with medical records, as are mandated for presidential candidates anyway.
The job of a press is to ask questions which have a basis in fact. Read for yourself the full chronology here. See whether you are certain there are no legitimate questions worth asking. I have claimed nothing. I am asking the McCain campaign to resolve a factual question which they must already have covered in the vetting process. After all, this baby was a centerpiece of the public case for Palin made by the Republicans. They made it an issue - and therefore it is legitimate to ask questions about it. That's all. |
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.c...s-that-mak.html
Here's a picture of Sarah Palin pregnant with Bristol:
Here's a picture of Sarah Palin "pregnant" with Trig:
And here's a picture of Bristol and Sarah, less than a month before Trig was born:
Maybe there's nothing to this story. But I think Andrew Sullivan is right in wondering where the answers to those questions are. |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
Maybe there's nothing to this story. But I think Andrew Sullivan is right in wondering where the answers to those questions are. |
OMG:rolleyes: you know there's nothing to the story but you don't mind parroting the innuendo. thats awesome dude. keep up The Messiah's work. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
OMG:rolleyes: you know there's nothing to the story but you don't mind parroting the innuendo. thats awesome dude. keep up The Messiah's work. |
Like Sullivan (a conservative) said, it's something that's easily proven. So let her prove it. |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
For the average Joe? I know that's what he says, but how is there any way to prove that he's "siding" with middle to lower class voters? Where is the voting record and evidence to suggest that's his way? It's not clear at all man. He has a lot of government expansion/programs he wants to build and pay for... where do you think that's going to come from? Obama loves to talk about the future because that's where all his accomplishments are. And what exactly does a "community organizer" do anyway? |
Yea the average Joe. And how the hell are we paying for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? Bet you never thought about that one huh? Here are some of things Obama's done for the average Joe..
| quote: | In the Illinois State Senate:
1. With the assistance of Senator Jones, Obama helped deliver what is said to have been the first significant campaign finance reform law in Illinois in 25 years.
2. He brought law enforcement groups around to back legislation requiring that homicide interrogations be taped and helped bring about passage of the state’s first racial-profiling law.
3. He was a chief sponsor of a law enhancing tax credits for the working poor, played a central role in negotiations over welfare reform and successfully pushed for increasing child care subsidies.
4. In 2001, as co-chairman of the bipartisan Joint Committee on Administrative Rules, Obama supported Republican Governor Ryan's payday loan regulations and predatory mortgage lending regulations aimed at averting home foreclosures.
5. In 2003, Obama sponsored and led unanimous, bipartisan passage of legislation to monitor racial profiling by requiring police to record the race of drivers they detained and legislation making Illinois the first state to mandate videotaping of homicide interrogations.
6. During his 2004 general election campaign for U.S. Senate, police representatives credited Obama for his active engagement with police organizations in enacting death penalty reforms.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/30/u...r=1&oref=slogin
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/chicago...ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/30/u...cs/30obama.html
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news...2007-03-13.html
In the US Congressional Senate:
1. Obama voted in favor of the Energy Policy Act of 2005 and cosponsored the Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act.
2. In September 2006, Obama supported the Secure Fence Act.
3. Obama introduced two initiatives bearing his name: "Lugar–Obama," which expanded the Nunn–Lugar cooperative threat reduction concept to conventional weapons and the "Coburn–Obama Transparency Act," which authorized the establishment of www.USAspending.gov, a web search engine.
4. Obama sponsored legislation requiring nuclear plant owners to notify state and local authorities of radioactive leaks.
5. In December 2006, President Bush signed into law the "Democratic Republic of the Congo Relief, Security, and Democracy Promotion Act," marking the first federal legislation to be enacted with Obama as its primary sponsor.
6. In January 2007, Obama co-sponsored the Honest Leadership and Open Government Act, which was signed into law in September 2007.
7. He introduced S. 453, a bill to criminalize deceptive practices in federal elections.
8. Obama also sponsored a Senate amendment to the State Children's Health Insurance Program providing one year of job protection for family members caring for soldiers with combat-related injuries.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:SN01033:
http://obama.senate.gov/press/070111-lugar-obama_non/
http://coburn.senate.gov/ffm/index....db-7a7cb464cfdb
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/03/u...s/03exelon.html
http://www.fec.gov/press/press2007/20070924travel.shtml
http://www.nytimes.com/cq/2007/01/31/cq_2213.html
http://obama.senate.gov/press/070802-senate_passes_o_1/ |
So you want to talk about all Obama's accomplishments being the future. Clearly, you don't know what you're talking about. Quoted is his voting record, accomplishments, and I'll be damned...Voting in the interest of the average Joe. Gee golly I think you're pretty damn wrong here... |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Yea the average Joe. And how the hell are we paying for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? Bet you never thought about that one huh? Here are some of things Obama's done for the average Joe..
So you want to talk about all Obama's accomplishments being the future. Clearly, you don't know what you're talking about. Quoted is his voting record, accomplishments, and I'll be damned...Voting in the interest of the average Joe. Gee golly I think you're pretty damn wrong here... |
but, but, but, he doesn't have any executive experience!!!11!!!
and aside from the two bills he sponsored with republicans, he's a raging liberal!1!!!!1
and he's never been a POW!!!11!!
and he hates women since he didn't nominate a token female to his ticket!!1!1! |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Clearly, you don't know what you're talking about. Quoted is his voting record, accomplishments, and I'll be damned...Voting in the interest of the average Joe. Gee golly I think you're pretty damn wrong here... |
How come every time you argue something, it's so crystal clear if it's coming from your brain and your sources? What I DO know about Obama's voting record is that he voted "present" 133 times while in the senate for that really long 143 working days. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
How come every time you argue something, it's so crystal clear if it's coming from your brain and your sources? What I DO know about Obama's voting record is that he voted "present" 133 times while in the senate for that really long 143 working days. |
You're thinking of the Illinois State Senate, not the US Senate. Obama was there for like 7 years. So you actually don't know that about him at all.
And in any case:
| quote: | Examining Obama's 'Present' Votes in Illinois
by David Schaper
All Things Considered, January 23, 2008
In Monday night's debate between Democratic presidential candidates, New York Sen. Hillary Clinton and former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards attacked Illinois Sen. Barack Obama's voting record from his days as an Illinois lawmaker.
"In the Illinois State Senate, Senator Obama voted 130 times 'present,'" Clinton said. "That's not 'yes.' That's not 'no.' That's 'maybe.'"
The actual number of Obama's "present" votes was 129 during his eight years in the Illinois Senate. Obama's campaign says anyone criticizing his "present" votes doesn't understand how this type of vote is used in the rough-and-tumble give-and-take of the Illinois legislature.
To register a vote in the Illinois General Assembly, lawmakers have a choice of three buttons on their desk. The "yes" button is green. The "no" button is red, and the "present" button is yellow, says Rich Miller, who writes and publishes The Capitol Fax, a daily newsletter and blog on Illinois politics.
"There's a saying in Springfield that there's a reason why the present button is yellow," Miller says.
But Miller says that not all "present" votes are cowardly, including those cast by then-state Sen. Obama.
"After having put some thought into it, I don't think that Barack Obama was necessarily a coward for voting present on those bills. In fact, I think he believed that he was doing the right thing, because something, in his mind, might have been unconstitutional," Miller says.
Miller points out that, at times, Obama was the only lawmaker voting "present" on bills winning near unanimous support, even on issues he supported and on one he sponsored.
Chris Mooney is a political science professor at the University of Illinois, Springfield.
"A person as cerebral as Sen. Obama might be prone to such a thing, thinking things through a little too carefully," Mooney says.
Mooney and other state capitol watchers and players say Illinois lawmakers often vote "present" as part of a larger party or issue bloc strategy.
Pam Sutherland is the president and CEO of the Illinois Planned Parenthood Council. She says Obama voted "present" at least seven times to provide cover to other abortion-rights supporters on such bills as the "Born Alive Infant Protection Act."
"Senators didn't want to vote pro-choice anymore, because they knew these were being used against them in their campaigns," Sutherland said. |
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/...toryId=18348437 |
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