Originally posted by gehzumteufel
Furthermore, how are we making it out to be religious bashing? We are just stating the facts.
Ben dont be naive. There is plenty of religion bashing going on in this thread as well as many others in the west coast boards. Just look at all the pictures xenpro posts, lol. Im not a religious person, but i believe somebody already mentioned the irony of all the discrimenation in this thread, a thread which is based on trying to rid of discrimenation in the first place.
gehzumteufel
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Originally posted by djjoshuaallen
Ben dont be naive. There is plenty of religion bashing going on in this thread as well as many others in the west coast boards. Just look at all the pictures xenpro posts, lol. Im not a religious person, but i believe somebody already mentioned the irony of all the discrimenation in this thread, a thread which is based on trying to rid of discrimenation in the first place.
lol those pictures are funny, but I really can't count the number of religious people that are the biggest discriminatory people out there. They are so insular that it is insane. They aren't rational about any sort of thing that is the status quo within their church.
djjoshuaallen
true, but to discrimenate against religious people in a thread that is supposed to be about anti-discrimenation is irresponsible. You guys are making it out to be as if it were about homosexuality vs. religion or gays vs out of state mormon groups, when it should be about proper interpretation of the constitution.
gehzumteufel
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Originally posted by djjoshuaallen
true, but to discrimenate against religious people in a thread that is supposed to be about anti-discrimenation is irresponsible. You guys are making it out to be as if it were about homosexuality vs. religion or gays vs out of state mormon groups, when it should be about proper interpretation of the constitution.
The out of state Mormon groups thing is true. I am a former Mormon, and can attest to this myself. You can't discount that influence either.
I do agree though that it has become a bit discriminatory. I apologize to anyone I may have offended in that respect.
in2muzikk
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Originally posted by teknotexan
OMG, thank you so much for your post in2muzikk!! I knew that the tax benefits are not equal regarding RDP's and married couples, which makes one of the only points in this issue that is devoid of religious opinions and society's steroetypes. Thanks for bring up a valid argument! Unfortunately, I cannot find any more convincing points besides this one.
Sure, although I never meant to imply that this was the only difference between domestic partnerships and marriages. I'm not a legal expert, but just reading that article about health benefits again, there seem to be many:
Employers are not required to offer COBRA benefits -- which allow employees to stay on their employers' plans temporarily after they leave their jobs -- for domestic partners.
A 1997 study by the General Accounting Office (now known as the Government Accountability Office) found 1,049 federal laws in which marital status is a factor. They range from the obvious, such as those concerning joint tax returns, to the obscure but potentially important for certain individuals, such as in determining who gets life insurance proceeds when a federal government worker dies without specifying a beneficiary.
So, a little dated, but the GAO found 1,049 federal laws in which marital status was a factor, and marriage is defined as "only between a man and a woman" according the "Defense of Marriage Act" passed in 1996.
The taxability of health benefits jumps to the front since it's an issue that most everyone can relate to and has an immediate financial impact. Depending on one's health status, not getting COBRA benefits could be devastating to certain individuals. Having someone's life insurance proceeds go to the government rather than a partner because they didn't specify a beneficiary could be even worse.
In each of these situations, married couples are covered and domestic partners are left out in the cold. I am voting NO on Proposition 8...in about 10 minutes as a matter of fact, opening my absentee ballot now! On behalf of the minority, I thank the majority for their support. :D
R!CH
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Originally posted by djjoshuaallen
Ben dont be naive. There is plenty of religion bashing going on in this thread as well as many others in the west coast boards. Just look at all the pictures xenpro posts, lol. Im not a religious person, but i believe somebody already mentioned the irony of all the discrimenation in this thread, a thread which is based on trying to rid of discrimenation in the first place.
you know, it's not the same. institutionalized discrimination is what the religious right is pushing for here - weaving discriminatory policy into the fabric of our law and government. the discrimination towards religious zealots seen here is more of a cultural backlash stemming from their own incessant determination at projecting religious morality upon our free and secular society. in fact you can't really call it discrimination when it's just educated people laughing at the naivety, hypocrisy and irrationality of an archaic and controlling belief system that holds things like free thought, scientific method and cultural plurality in contempt. when i "discriminate" against religious people who support regressive activism, i have the ability do so by focusing on the merit of their argument rather than latching on to some narrow judgment upon someone's lifestyle preference. have you ever heard a biblethumper form an argument without leaning on god's will and that sensational piece of fiction known as the bible?
in2muzikk
My favorite Prop 8 videos!
teknotexan
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Originally posted by gehzumteufel
The out of state Mormon groups thing is true. I am a former Mormon, and can attest to this myself. You can't discount that influence either.
I do agree though that it has become a bit discriminatory. I apologize to anyone I may have offended in that respect.
Yes, you've offended me greatly and managed to write more insults and cuss words that I cannot find any value in your posts. Whatever internalized animosity you have towards LDS has nothing to do with this discussion. Why does it take a dj on the board to make you realise how insulting you are? Think before you post!
I'm a pre-law student who knows about impartiality and proper political discourse. I can engage in apologetics and NOT fire off insults. I know the McDonalds case well enough to argue both sides. I have been asking for non-opinionated facts regarding this issue, and I have received them via selfEvolution and in2muzikk.
You think those pics are funny? Honestly, I cannot fathom your depravity.
gehzumteufel
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Originally posted by teknotexan
You think those pics are funny? Honestly, I cannot fathom your depravity.
Different strokes for different folks. You find some things funny and I find others funny. The fact that you are more sensitive over a joke goes to show how stupid and retarded this country has become with the PC being so ing stupid.
I am a little person not a midget. FFS get over yourself and move on.
MOTHER MOTHER MOTHER ...Seriously, whether someone chooses to use cuss words, or not, substitution in any form, still has the exact same meaning.
teknotexan
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Originally posted by R!CH
you know, it's not the same. institutionalized discrimination is what the religious right is pushing for here - weaving discriminatory policy into the fabric of our law and government. the discrimination towards religious zealots seen here is more of a cultural backlash stemming from their own incessant determination at projecting religious morality upon our free and secular society. in fact you can't really call it discrimination when it's just educated people laughing at the naivety, hypocrisy and irrationality of an archaic and controlling belief system that holds things like free thought, scientific method and cultural plurality in contempt. when i "discriminate" against religious people who support regressive activism, i have the ability do so by focusing on the merit of their argument rather than latching on to some narrow judgment upon someone's lifestyle preference. have you ever heard a biblethumper form an argument without leaning on god's will and that sensational piece of fiction known as the bible?
This is an appropriate apologetics post, up to the 2nd to last sentence! Calling the one of the most sacred texts in the world a "sensational piece of fiction" kills his previous point.
/start tangent:
Never forget the story of the apostles. They all died horrible deaths, at different times, alone, poor, persecuted, and far from any other apostle. They NEVER renounced their faith. It is because of this very human, very mortal sacrifice that my father chose to be a Christian, and many other Christians will site the faith, loyalty, and dedication of the apostles as the main reason they have such strong faith, not the fire and brimstone of the Old Testament or the miracles of the New Testament.
Ask yourself this: Would you did a disgusting, lonely, painful death for a fancy folktale?
/end tangent
teknotexan
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Originally posted by gehzumteufel
I am a little person not a midget. FFS get over yourself and move on.
I never knew that! Really?
And how did this become a fact on this thread how?
I don't care about your physical stature, but I do care that you find a better way of delivering your message. You have passion and validity in your argument, but it is tainted with defamating comments.
gehzumteufel
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Originally posted by teknotexan
I never knew that! Really?
And how did this become a fact on this thread how?
I don't care about your physical stature, but I do care that you find a better way of delivering your message. You have passion and validity in your argument, but it is tainted with defamating comments.
This is a trance forum, so I don't expect much from the members.
lol I was not debating yours, or anyones for that matter, stature. It was an example for the PC (Politically Correctness if you weren't sure what I meant by PC) bs that people spout off regarding jokes, terms, etc.
And TA is not just a trance forum. If you ventured around, you will find a sub-forum for EVERYTHING. We have a sports discussion, a political discussion and debate forum, gaming, music discussion, and a forum for just random stuff. This is all outside of the regional forums that you obviously don't venture out of.
Furthermore, while TA started out as a place for trance addicts to congregate online, it has evolved into a forum for all electronic music fans.
