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The NO on Prop 8 thread.... (pg. 19)
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| DaveT |
I first saw it at 56% - 44%
Then 55% - 45%
Then 54% - 46%
Now 53% - 47%
source: KRON
Gap is closing. Still hope. Less than 30% of precincts reporting, and the major metropolitan areas still have a ton of votes to go through.
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| R!CH |
| quote: | Originally posted by teknotexan
How can this comparison be validated? Heaven's Gate was an isolated group of people, kept in one single place, all engaged in the same daily activities, and all peacefully went to their graves on their beds. The apostles were all ALONE, TORTURED, MAIMED, POOR, PERSECUTED, HATED, and COMPLETELY UNAWARE OF THE FATE OF THE OTHER APOSTLES!! How in the hell does Heaven's Gate come close to the deaths of the apostles? The apostles never renounced their faith, and knew how dangerous the message they were delivering. They knew that they would die hated, betrayed, poor, and alone1 The Heaven's Gate crew twisted the word of the Bible into some ed up idea linked to a comet, and knowingly forced everyone there to NOT INTERACT WITH the out side world!
that, let's talk Jim Jones and the People's Temple!!! Over 700 people drink the kool-aid, for what? Were they all poor, alone, and totured? NO, I am sorry, but there is NOT A SINGLE COMPARISON I CAN FIND THAT CAN COME CLOSE TO THE PAIN AND SUFFERING AND PURE FAITH TO THE APOSTLES!! It is all about reason and logic! Why would a person who has nothing to live for, who need do nothing accept remand what he has said, choose to die a disgusting death? Where is the logic in that? THERE IS NO LOGIC! What on earth could cause a person to do such a thing? PURE FAITH! Apostles where not isolated in a hut somewhere, all committing suicide!! THEY WERE TORTURED TO DEATH, NOT A COWARD TAKING THEIR OWN LIVES, and to even think there is ANY RESEMBLENCE OF Heaven's Gate followers and the apostles is horrid and repulsive!
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you continue to miss the mark. faith is a powerful thing. it can compel people to relinquish their lives, freedoms and comforts for the promise of immortality and eternal bliss. millions of fearful and ignorant believers throughout history have made the sacrifice under the banners of many living and dead faiths. most did so under the same conditions of being "alone, tortured, maimed, poor, persecuted and/or hated". some died through religious war, some died through religious persecution, some died through religious ceremony, some died through religious coercion. some had so much faith in a sun god that they sacrificed their first-born child or themselves to be brutally murdered on an alter as a gift to bring a good harvest next season. someone who dies for the welfare of the community sounds like a more compelling sacrifice that someone who dies out of stubbornness. the fact that you attribute personal sacrifice to the apostles alone reflects upon your contextual ignorance of religious studies as a whole. faith in religion has been around for thousands of years before the apostles, and christianity was never an original concept. the sooner you reject those archaic doctrines, the sooner you can begin enjoying life for what it really is and stop using the narrow dogmas of your faith to make other people's lives miserable. |
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| DaveT |
Latest numbers:
Yes 2,108,645 52.8%
No 1,882,446 47.2% |
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| bas |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jake Benson
EPIC Fail for Jake Benson. :( |
Feh, like anyone would marry you :o |
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| R!CH |
| quote: | Originally posted by DaveT
I first saw it at 56% - 44%
Then 55% - 45%
Then 54% - 46%
Now 53% - 47%
source: KRON
Gap is closing. Still hope. Less than 30% of precincts reporting, and the major metropolitan areas still have a ton of votes to go through.
Dave |
southern california is reliably conservative. from san diego the further north you move, the more liberal the population. the further east you move the more conservative. this could just be a case of the more conservative and less densely populated precincts reporting first. this was the case in the national election where the less populous states and precincts began reporting votes first. |
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| zerotonin79 |
| quote: | Originally posted by R!CH
southern california is reliably conservative. from san diego the further north you move, the more liberal the population. the further east you move the more conservative. this could just be a case of the more conservative and less densely populated precincts reporting first. this was the case in the national election where the less populous states and precincts began reporting votes first. |
half of Frisco has reported... |
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| R!CH |
| if 8 passes, it will be the first time californians vote to explicitly take away the rights of a group of people that already exist. rights that have proven to cause no harm on individuals or society as a whole. it will be a blemish on what is otherwise an amazing election. |
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| DaveT |
| quote: | Originally posted by zerotonin79
half of Frisco has reported... |
Almost 2/3rds actually.
Choice Votes %
Yes 36,540 22.5%
No 125,966 77.5%
63% of precincts reporting
Updated 11/04 10:00PM |
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| DaveT |
| quote: | Originally posted by R!CH
if 8 passes, it will be the first time californians vote to explicitly take away the rights of a group of people that already exist. rights that have proven to cause no harm on individuals or society as a whole. it will be a blemish on what is otherwise an amazing election. |
This prop prob won't matter in the end because it's expected to go right back to the supreme court. |
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| zerotonin79 |
| quote: | Originally posted by R!CH
if 8 passes, it will be the first time californians vote to explicitly take away the rights of a group of people that already exist. rights that have proven to cause no harm on individuals or society as a whole. it will be a blemish on what is otherwise an amazing election. |
considering we just voted a black man into the white house, there is a first time for everything... |
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| R!CH |
| quote: | Originally posted by zerotonin79
half of Frisco has reported... |
san francisco has a population of 750,000. the bay area has a population of 7.6 million. |
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| zerotonin79 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DaveT
This prop prob won't matter in the end because it's expected to go right back to the supreme court. |
yeah, trump the rights of the people to the courts. :rolleyes:
i disapprove of this prop just like the next person but this is DEMOCRACY. |
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