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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by CHRles
LOL, protesters in Iran are so desperate to hurt someone, anyone, that they tried to storm the Jordanian embassy. In Lebanon, Hezbollah (a proxy of Iran) supporters tried to storm the Egyptian embassy a few days ago. |
Think about what all these protesters are protesting against. Did you ever even attempt to understand their grievances, or is this another right-wing diatribe about Islamists?
| quote: | | Yet even the Hezbollah is opting to stay out of this war. Keep in mind that back in 2006 after Israel went into Lebanon and kicked the out of Hezbollah (follwing the killing and kidnappings of several Israeli soldiers), the Hamas decided to open a second front. |
LOL, Israel kicked Hezbollah's ass? LOL, WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING? The IDF got POUNDED by Hezbollah and promptly retreated, WITHOUT their two captured soldiers. Funny, how they totally destroy a country over two soldiers which they failed to even rescue.
| quote: | The Arab world is deeply divided over the situation in Gaza for 2 reasons: a) Most Arab leaders have closer ties with Fatah, and with Mahmoud Abbas.
b) There is growing fear amongst Arab leaders of Iran trying to strengthen its sphere of influence on the region. |
Wrong, a vast majority of the Arab world is profoundly against Israel's blockade and destruction of Gaza.
| quote: | Highlights from the article include:
"The only advantage to Nasrallah’s speech is that it revealed to the world what we have been saying the whole time: that Iran is a real threat to Arab security, as today it launched a war against Egypt, tomorrow against Saudi Arabia, and then the whole house of cards will collapse"
"Hassan Nasrallah, who made an appearance on Sunday to stir up the Arabs and Arabism, who is the same man who occupied Beirut and tortured its Sunni citizens along with Iranian agents" |
Iran launched a war against Egypt, and tomorrow Saudi Arabia? WTF is the nonsense? |
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| DJ Damerchi |
| lol my dad stormed the Jordanian embassy in London in the early 70's |
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| DJ Damerchi |
| Khalalallalalalalalalalalalalalalal! |
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| CHRles |
Some of you kiddies are really bad at reading between the lines.
Yes, when Nasrallah openly attacks the Egyptian government via the media it pretty much means he's relaying an Iranian message.
And when students in Iran try to storm the Jordanian embassy it means that not only is there no Israeli embassy (there was one till the late 70s), no American embassy, or even an Egyptian one. Most of the population of Jordan is Palestinian so again it's funny to see how dumb these so called students are.
And when the Arab league is divided over an issue, and doesn't even blame Israel solely on the problem then it means there's much more going on here behind the scenes.
Now for Hezbollah. While technically there were no winners in the 2006 Lebanon war on Hezbollah, it was Lebanon and the Hezbollah that suffered most of the casualties, and that's in addition to how Israel crippled the Lebanese infrastructure. Israel also got more UN soldiers stationed on the border with Lebanon once ISRAEL AGREED to cease fire, not the other way around. Nasrallah hasn't been seen in broad daylight in over 2 years following this war - he's in hiding just like Bin Laden. In fact, the Hezbollah has been very careful not to provoke Israel since 2006.
Those 2 soldiers that were kidnapped were already dead the day they were captured. What Hezbollah ultimately got was a couple of hundred of their men back, AFTER they'd spent years in Israeli prisons. Hardly what I'd call a victory. |
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| CHRles |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Damerchi
lol my dad stormed the Jordanian embassy in London in the early 70's |
You mean after the king of Jordan kicked the PLO out of Jordan? You know, when Jordan killed hundreds if not thousands of PLO supporters in retaliation for what the PLO was trying to do to the Jordanian government.
Yeah so, how did that turn out for your father? He really made a difference there, eh? |
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| DJ Damerchi |
| quote: | Originally posted by CHRles
You mean after the king of Jordan kicked the PLO out of Jordan? You know, when Jordan killed hundreds if not thousands of PLO supporters in retaliation for what the PLO was trying to do to the Jordanian government.
Yeah so, how did that turn out for your father? He really made a difference there, eh? |
calm down chrissy, lets blame John Lennon...and acid
I beleive the storming was after said events took place. |
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| The17sss |
Excellent article (IMO) written yesterday about the world's reaction:
SURREAL GAZA:
| quote: | The World Reacts
I spent today reading accounts of Gaza—NY Times, AP, Reuters, etc. There are no terrorists, just militants. Not much about past rocket attacks on Israel- most everything on the crowded conditions of Gaza. Iranian aid is rarely elaborated on; stories about quiet Arab support for defanging Hamas are likewise rare; common is the buzz about protests in Europe. In reaction, I jotted down the following random thoughts: Gaza as Monte Carlo, perhaps Hong Kong, or is it to be Switzerland of the Mediterranean?
Gaza is a sort of lab experiment in the Middle East. Recall for a minute: the Israelis withdrew en masse, a so-called "retreat" that reverberated all over the Middle East. The West supported free and open elections that gave Hamas their legitimacy, such as it was. Gaza is strategically placed on the Mediterranean with a prime shoreline. It borders Egypt the traditional center of the Arab world. Hundreds of millions of dollars of Middle-East oil money, and Western relief donations have poured into the tiny state. Israeli clearly wants no more of it, and would love to let Gaza alone to be Dubai.
The Result?
Hamas with its serial rocket attacks on Israel interprets all of the above not as an opportunity for prosperity, but as a stage one for the great accomplishment of its generation- the absolute destruction of the Jewish state. Its agenda is clear and unambiguous, and apparently shared by millions of elites in the West itself, without whose support Hamas could not exist. The common theme of Western press coverage is the misery of Gaza, never the misery of Gaza as a product of the garrison-state mentality of Hamas’s radical Islamic vows to wage perennial war against Israel.
The Enablers
Hamas counts on the fact that its own losses will be characterized as a "holocaust" and appear comparable in the Western media to something like Darfur or the slaughtering in Zimbabwe, or the usual carnage that we wake up to on the news. Take away Western press attention from Gaza, and Hamas is just another violent, illiberal regime that impoverishes its own people while seeking victim status in the West.
Is that too harsh? I don’t think so. Again, if it were to call a one-year truce with Israel, seek normal relations with Egypt, and swear off Iranian-Hezbollah terrorist aid while it sought to rebuild infrastructure, ensure security, and recruit foreign capital, then there would be no more world attention, and its cadres of hooded youth would lack the pizzazz of "militants."
Jenin Redux
Meanwhile, we suffer through the Jenin reinvention of the rules of war:
(1) proportionality: Hamas is allowed to keep trying to kill as many Jews as it can to "balance" those lost to far more lethal Israeli countermeasures. Rule I. War is a tit-for-tat game, where fairness is defined as killing no more than you lose.
(2) Civilians and warriors: there is no such difference. Hamas's terrorists who shoot rockets against Israeli families burrow into their own civilian infrastructure. They are tragic innocents to the world when they are killed and heroes to their own if can they kill innocents Jews through their barrages. Rule II. The age of uniforms and battle lines is over, replaced by the civilian shield as the best mechanism of defense against Western mastery of traditional arms.
(3) War that is lost on the battlefield can be won through the international media. The Palestinians have counted on six truths in the international arena (a. the world remains largely anti-Semitic; b. the world appreciates the strategic calculus that Arabs are numerous with oil; and Israel is tiny without it; c. Westerners fear Islamic terrorists, not the IDF; d. The West is prone to self-loathing, and romanticizes any who best capture the mantel of victimhood; the Palestinians have brilliantly reinvented themselves by claiming a status akin to women, gays, Hispanics, and blacks- fellow victims of rich white male Westerners; e. Any culture abroad whose hospitals Westerners would not like to be operated in are idealized; any who emulate Western technological supremacy are shunned. Rule III: Just copy any group that sets up shop on an American campus free speech area, and the resulting sympathy is worth a division.
Incremental Victory
The Hamas way of thinking is that it has constantly redefined losses to such an extent that 300+ killed are now dubbed a "Holocaust." Meanwhile the frequency and range of its rocketry are expanded and embedded into the "normalcy" of the Middle East. Hamas seeks to establish the principle that it can daily wear away the psyche of Israelis while carefully constraining Israeli responses. What a Westerner would call an Israeli "victory" (e.g., terrible destruction of Hamas infrastructure with far greater casualties inflicted than suffered), Hamas and others would call "progress" in a century-long war (e.g., the world now accepts that showering Israeli with rockets is not an act of war, and not deserving of serious retaliation).
A final note: some of the most vicious anti-Israeli sentiment comes from Europe, especially countries like Spain and Greece. Yet I remember Morocco and Spain nearly shooting at each other in 2002 in a dispute over an uninhabited rock in the Mediterranean, and Greece goes ballistic every time Turkey customarily overflies Aegean airspace. Israel alone is not supposed to respond to rocket barrages; our conclusions can only be that the world deems it an illegitimate state worthy of destruction, and will allow its enemies to keep trying until they succeed (Why else would a British television station invite Ahmadinejad to answer the Queen's Christmas address- a thug who promised the destruction of Israel, is seeking the means to do it, and whose terrorists recently kidnapped British sailors?)
Meanwhile we await "Gaza, Gaza"- the anguished documentary movie as hundreds of filmakers have no doubt already descended to offer us by spring a must see movie on every American university campus. |
http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/surreal-gaza/ |
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| IlanG |
| quote: | Originally posted by CHRles
Israel managed to kill one of Hamas's most notorious leaders today. He was shot down and killed...along with 2 of his 4 wives(!!!), as well as several of his children. Not that he really gave a crap about his kids anyway - he sent one of them on a suicide bombing mission back in 2001. |
He is known for his support for suicide bombings. He was one of the managers and financier of the suicide bombing in the Ashdod port back in 2004 which killed 10 people. And like you said, he sent one of his sons on a suicide bombing mission.
The IDF dropped a bomb on his house which served as a weapons warehouse and a communication center. Prior to the bombing the IDF warned him and his family to leave the house, but they refused.
Also, the IDF bombed the biggest mosque in Gaza tonight believing it to be a weapon warehouse and a rocket launch site. |
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| The17sss |
| Hamas declared today a "day of wrath" towards Israel.... which is somehow different than any other day :rolleyes: |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Israel should expect more rockets, suicide bombers, and terrorism. |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
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hamas should expect more missiles and dead palestinians. it's unfortuante both sides are so stubborn. |
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