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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by Psy-T
i did say "if", dude :p i don't follow it by any means myself, was just using that argument against those who do. |
I don't, so does it excuse it in your view?
| quote: | and one more thing:
when are you going to get it into your head that i'm leaving this country? :p i'm out of here for good in a week. |
You seem to be on the side of occupation and blockade, yet, refuse to serve in it? I don't get you...:) |
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| Psy-T |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
I don't, so does it excuse it in your view? |
absolutely not, would be pretty hypocritical of me to view it as an excuse (since i disagree with the proportionality argument).
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
You seem to be on the side of occupation and blockade, yet, refuse to serve in it? I don't get you...:) |
i see it in a different way: i'm on the side that hasn't publicly stated its aim to be the absolute annihilation of the other side. while that side definitely has its own ills, they're significantly outweighed by the alternative.
it has nothing to do with the fact i was born here. i have no loyalties based on the coincidence of birth, and i do not support israel at large (not referring to its right to exist, rather its various policies, most prominently - the draft). |
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| tathi |
| quote: | Sydney Morning Herald
Israel accused of using farmers as human shields
METHODS used by the Israel Defence Forces in their assault on the Gaza Strip have raised questions about whether Israeli military commanders authorised the use of Palestinians as human shields - a charge Israel has repeatedly made against Hamas.
Palestinian farmers from the neighbourhood of al-Atatra, about 10 kilometres north of the centre of Gaza City, said Israeli ground troops arrived in the area on January 7.
Samir Abu Dayer, 59, a farmer, said soldiers occupied several hectares of farmland behind his house. The fields that before the war produced olives, oranges and lemons are now a large stretch of pale yellow sand and broken irrigation pipes.
A sandpit roughly the size of an Olympic pool, with four walls about two metres high pushed together by bulldozers, dominates one field.
According to Mr Dayer, and several other residents whose houses bordered the field, Israeli troops quickly evacuated the surrounding houses. "They entered my house with a tank," Mr Dayer said. "I was told to come outside with my family."
Told to strip to his underwear, Mr Dayer said his hands were tied behind his back with white plastic cables, then he was moved into the sandpit area.
Mohammed Madhoun, 22, a media and public relations student at the Al-Aqsa University, whose home is across a laneway from Mr Dayer's home, said he and his parents were ordered to do the same.
"I was told to take off my clothes by one soldier, told to put them on again by another, and then take them off again. My hands were tied and I was taken into this area," Mr Madhoun said, pointing to the sandpit.
Ali Ajramy, 39, a tailor, thrust his hands forward to show the sores on his wrists caused by plastic cables
"I was taken into this prison," he said. "And I was told to be quiet and kneel down."
The three were among about 85 men who were moved into the sandpit area and gathered at the western end.
They said the Israeli troops then took position around perimeter of the sandpit area and began to engage with Palestinian resistance fighters. "We kept our heads down, we didn't move for two days," Mr Madhoun said. "There was lots of shooting over our heads but I don't know where it was coming from. We were given blankets and food."
Empty cans of Israeli rations litter the sandpit. The soldiers dug several foxholes.
"After two days we were taken to Beersheva, in Israel," Mr Dayer said. "We were there for five days and then brought back to Gaza and freed." He showed Herald a release form in Hebrew, given when they were returned to Gaza.
An Israeli spokesman told Herald it did not comment on operational matters. But he stressed the Israeli military does not use anyone as "human shields".
The deputy director of the Palestinian Centre for Human Rights, Jaber Jishah, said it appeared a textbook example of human shields.
"We are investigating this very thoroughly," he said. |
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| tathi |
| quote: | Originally posted by IlanG
1 Israeli soldier is killed and 3 others are wounded in a Hamas bomb attack near the Gaza border. |
"Shortly after the Obama interview was broadcast, an explosion on the Israel-Gaza border on Tuesday killed an Israeli soldier. A Palestinian farmer was shot and killed, according to Palestinian witnesses, in retaliatory gunfire. They were the first known fatal incidents since the Gaza fighting, which claimed nearly 1,300 lives, ended 10 days ago." |
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| Magnetonium |
Some more reading material. Hamas are a funny bunch of people.
On a personal note: Its a shame that green flags are used as symbols by various Islamic groups around the world - green is my favourite colour for environmental and personal reasons!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7843633.stm
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Standing on a newly formed hillside of rubble in the destroyed Jabaliya refugee camp, five young men all claim to be resistance fighters.
"All of Gaza are mujahideen," they said.
But when asked which of them had actually fired a gun in the three week-long battle with Israel, none gave a convincing answer.
And as armed Hamas policemen return to Gaza's street-corners and traffic-lights, many in Gaza are wondering where they were when it came to fighting the Israeli Army.
Hamas still has enough power and influence here that few will criticise the Islamist movement openly.
But when Hamas called for a rally to celebrate what it has been calling a historic victory over the Israelis, the citizens of Gaza voted with their feet - they stayed at home.
In the past Hamas could easily call tens of thousands into the streets, but this time only party stalwarts could look around the devastation and believe this could be victory.
"I think the resistance is strong," said Beithar Ajar, 26, who described himself as a Hamas legal adviser.
"I think the Israeli army is very weak. Very weak."
Sober appraisal
A truck with loudspeakers made a turn around Palestine Square in central Gaza city, playing Hamas battle songs.
A barker standing on the back shouted insults to Israel's government on a microphone.
But relatively few green flags unfurled in the crowd.
The march ended in front of the concrete skeleton of the Palestinian Legislative Council building - pulverised by Israeli bombs during the first days of the air assault.
"It's not a problem for us," said Ajar, as a loudspeaker played recordings of machine guns and explosions dubbed over a fiery speech.
"We will overcome the Israeli Army this time and every time in the future," he said.
Hamas supporters claim that many more Israelis died in the three weeks of the war than Tel Aviv's official count of only 13 dead.
Likewise they believe the official Hamas announcement that Israel killed only 48 fighters among over 1,300 dead in Gaza.
But that raises another question: if so few Hamas fighters died, were they really out there fighting?
A man settling in to sleep next to the remnants of his home gave a more sober appraisal.
Yusef, a farmer from Jabaliya, was burning old kitchen cupboards to keep himself warm, as nightfall brought the winter's cold.
Israeli bombs destroyed his house, he said, but they were not the only ones to blame.
"I blame Israel and Hamas both," he said. "I just want to live." |
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| Krypton |
| I know I sympathize with the Palestinians, but when the are they going to realize shooting rockets isn't doing for them? |
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| DJ Damerchi |
^^^^^
Imagine you are part of a firing squadron and you have been indoctrinated by Hamas into believing that any media besides anything state run has been corrupted by zionists. they only trust Hamas and Hamas tells them their rockets are damaging Israel well beyond 13 people, it is fitting that they keep firing...especially if they beleive they are "victorious" in the recent conflict.
ty.. I know, but some will eat up Hamas rhetoric till the end. |
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| Magnetonium |
Here's a sad and shocking story.
Finally, a story of a Palestinian family anguish that hit Israeli public hard. Reading this, it makes sense ... just how much pain and loss this conflict has caused to the many innocent Palestinian civilians who got caught in the conflict ...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7854829.stm
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Why did it take a long time for Israelis to become aware of the fact that many hundreds of Palestinian civilians were being killed in Gaza by their troops?
Dr Izzeldeen and his son, Abdullah, on 21 Jan
Dr Izzeldeen holds on to his son, Abdullah, having lost three daughters
The al-Mazen centre for human rights has told the BBC that 1,268 people were killed, among them 288 children and 103 women. It is still investigating some unconfirmed cases.
Thirteen Israelis - 10 soldiers and three civilians hit by Hamas rockets - were killed before the two sides both announced ceasefires on 18 January.
It took the grief of Dr Izzeldeen Abuelaish, after the deaths of three of his daughters and a niece, to get through to the Israeli consciousness. I have written about the family in my last few diaries.
'Unique factors'
In Tel Aviv today I met the journalists who helped evacuate another Abuelaish daughter and another niece for medical treatment in Israel. They work for Israel's Channel 10 TV.
One of them, Shlomi Eldar, was telephoned by Dr Izzeldeen while he was in the studio. The doctor's anguish was broadcast live, in the fluent Hebrew that he uses with Jewish patients in the Israeli hospital where he works.
Shlomi covers the Palestinians for Channel 10. With his colleague Alon Ben-David, who is the defence correspondent, they started to ring all the influential people they could.
They say that within an hour and a half, the girls were being transferred into an Israeli ambulance at the Erez crossing into Gaza.
As far as they know, the only other Palestinian casualties taken into Israel during what was a very one-sided war, were people who had been picked up by the army.
Other civilians were evacuated via the Rafah crossing into Egypt and then sent to Cairo and other Arab capitals.
Shlomi and Alon say that in this case unique factors came together. The drama happened live on TV. The doctor spoke Hebrew. The channel had already interviewed him on conditions inside Gaza so he was known to the audience.
And that was why the deaths of four young girls in Gaza hit home in Israel's sitting rooms in a way that no others did, and then made some Israelis think about other Palestinian casualties too.
'Just war'
This morning I also paid a visit to Levana Stern, an Israeli mother of three sons, who made headlines here when she interrupted a news conference being held by Dr Izzeldeen in the Sheba hospital near Tel Aviv.
She had been visiting her father in the orthopaedic department, and had seen wounded soldiers and their crying mothers. So when she saw journalists paying a lot of attention to a Palestinian doctor she flipped.
She thought it was grotesque that the journalists were more concerned about Gazans than Israelis. For a few minutes that day, it got very noisy.
Afterwards she apologised for shouting, and told the doctor that she felt very sad about the dead girls, but she has not changed her view that Israel was fighting a just war of legitimate self defence.
Polls have shown that her view is shared by most Israelis. That is why they may feel sorry about dead civilians, but don't believe their country is at fault.
They say it happened because Hamas was firing rockets. There is a strong feeling still that something had to done about the rocket fire out of Gaza.
Levana said that an eight-year-old, in the areas within rocket range of Gaza, has never been able to get to school without having that sense of threat.
It all feeds into the generalised sense of insecurity that many Israelis say they feel. It is a product of their history, and the uncertain future.
It exists despite the fact that Israel has the most powerful army in the Middle East, nuclear weapons, a high-tech economy and the closest possible strategic relationship with the United States, the most powerful country in the world.
But did the war make Israelis any safer? Levana and her husband don't think so. They believe that will only happen when there is peace with the Palestinians.
29 JANUARY
I left Gaza yesterday, and am back in Jerusalem.
Wrecked home of Dr Izzeldeen Abuelaish in Jebaliya, northern Gaza Strip, on 21/1/09
Two of the girls were doing homework when the shell hit Dr Izzeldeen's home
In my last diary I wrote about Dr Izzeldeen Abuelaish and the deaths of three of his daughters and niece in an Israeli attack.
This morning I went to see Dr Izzeldeen and his daughter Shadha at the hospital where she is being treated near Tel Aviv. Another niece, Ghaidar, is in the same hospital.
The two girls were with the other four when they were killed.
Both were badly hurt, but seem to be on the mend. Their doctors are optimistic.
I didn't see Ghaidar, but Shadha, who is just 17 (she had her birthday in hospital last week), was standing up by her bed, wearing a pink tracksuit.
Her right hand was heavily bandaged and she had a plastic shield over her right eye. It looks as if the doctors have saved her eye and her injured fingers.
I asked her how she was feeling. She said her eye and her hand hurt, but they were giving her something for the pain.
But what about her heart? She said that she was trying not to look inside herself too much at the moment.
A friend of her father's, an Israeli doctor, came to visit. He talked about his shame when he heard what had happened to Dr Izzeldine's family.
But he said that the rocketing of Israel from Gaza was unacceptable, and the government had needed to take action. He said he would have preferred a shorter campaign.
My impression while I was in Israel during the fighting was that most people were much more concerned about Israeli casualties.
The view among many of the Israelis I spoke to was that the war was legitimate self defence and Hamas was responsible for the casualties because it fought from behind civilians.
In the next couple of days I am going to look more at Israeli views of what happened in Gaza.
27 JANUARY
I don't know how Dr Izzeldeen Abuelaish keeps going.
Dr Izeldeen Abuelaish
Despite the tragedy, Dr Izeldeen Abuelaish says he still believes in peace
Everything in his life changed at about 1605 on 16 January. In the space of not much more than a minute, two Israeli tank shells hit his home in Jabaliya in the Gaza Strip.
The shells killed three of his daughters and a niece. His story has been reported around the world, but I have just met him for the first time as he was back here in Gaza this morning.
Dr Izzeldeen's phones (he carries two) hardly stopped ringing. Neighbours and friends came to offer condolences. Reporters queued up for interviews.
He was taking a day away from the bedsides of his daughter and another niece who were evacuated, badly wounded, for medical treatment in Israel.
His family's tragedy got through to the Israeli public like no other in Gaza.
During the war, the deaths of Palestinian civilians at the hands of their soldiers did not much register with them. The attack on Gaza was seen as just, defensive and necessary.
Once ground troops were sent in, the biggest Israeli concern was the safety of their own soldiers.
Daughters' bedroom
Dr Izzeldeen grew up in Jabaliya refugee camp, the biggest in the Gaza Strip.
Look at what this family was armed with. Love and education
Dr Izzeldeen Abuelaish
Like many others, his route out was education. He became a doctor. He studied, among other places, at Harvard University.
For the last eight years he has worked in Israel, as a gynaecologist, returning to his family in Jabaliya at the weekends.
Gaza is a closed world. The vast majority of the 1.5 million people who live here are never allowed to leave. There is no way out by sea or air.
The border crossing with Egypt is restricted to travellers with special permission, and the crossings with Israel are virtually impenetrable for Palestinians.
But Dr Izzeldeen, because of his job, had permission to come in and out.
During the war, because of his fluent Hebrew, he was interviewed by Israeli journalists about Gaza. He has also campaigned for peace.
Dr Izzeldeen lives in a sturdy apartment block, five stories high. He shares it with his brothers and their wives and children. Living in an extended family is the norm for Palestinians.
This morning Dr Izzeldeen showed me around his flat. First, we went to what had been his daughters' bedroom.
He pointed to a bookcase, containing school textbooks covered in dust and bits of plaster.
"Look at what this family was armed with. Love and education," he said.
Then we went to the dining room. At the window he pointed to some deep tracks in the sand outside.
He said that a few days before his daughters and their cousin were killed, a tank had been stationed there.
Dr Izzeldeen phoned his friends in Israel and the tank was moved away.
So he thought they were as safe in their home as anywhere else, because important people in Israel knew that he was there with his children.
And then we went to the room where Bisan, Noor, Aya and Mayar were killed. It is a bright corner room, with windows on two sides. It is as it was on the day of the attack.
Sift through the debris on the floor and you can see that this was a playroom that grew into a study and sitting room for the girls as they grew up.
Mixed with the rubble and shrapnel on the floor is a shell collection, a pink hairbrush, belts, handbags, a fragment of cardboard printed with a Barbie and lots of school books, caked with dried blood.
Two blasts
Dr Izzeldeen is fiercely proud of his daughters. They were all good at school.
Bisan, the eldest, was about to graduate a year early from university. He showed me pictures of a peace camp she went to in New Mexico a few years ago, where she was able to mix with Israeli children.
He said that since the death of his wife from cancer last year, she had been a substitute mother for the younger children. The doctor said several times, through his tears, that she was worth 100 men.
When the first shell came in Bisan was in the kitchen making tea. The girls were doing their homework.
The doctor was sitting talking to his brother Shihab, Noor's father when the first shell hit. In the confusion, with the apartment full of smoke and dust, he thought a bottle of cooking gas had exploded.
Shihab told me that the blast knocked them down. He was hurt by shrapnel. As the men were picking themselves up, Bisan rushed into the girls' room. And then the second shell blasted through the room.
The two fathers rushed to their daughters. Mayar and Noor were sitting where they had been working, still in their chairs. Their heads had been blown off.
The ceiling and walls of the room are still splattered with their blood and brains. When they got in to the room, Aya was lying dead on the floor.
Bisan was still breathing. One of her feet had been severed. She died as they picked her up.
Another of Dr Izzeldeen's nieces, Ghaidar, looked as though she was dead. It was only when she groaned as she was being moved that they realised that she was not.
Dr Izzeldeen got to work on his daughter Shatha who was alive but badly wounded. One of her eyes was hanging out of its socket. In Israel, her father's colleagues are fighting to save her sight.
Doctor's answer
Some people in Israel have suggested that the shells came from Hamas.
I climbed onto to an adjoining roof with Marc Garlasco, who is a weapons expert for Human Rights Watch. He found pieces of a high explosive anti-tank round.
From behind the building you can see through the holes the shells made as they passed through the flat and beyond it to a hill where Israeli tanks were deployed. It was a straight shot.
As Dr Izzeldeen stood in the wreckage of his family's life, I asked him if he still believed in peace.
He said he did, and so did his Israeli friends, but their army and those who gave it orders did not. I put to him Israel's argument, that it was a defensive war provoked by Hamas rocket attacks on Israeli civilians.
He answered like a doctor. Hamas and the rockets, he said, were the symptoms of a disease caused by a hundred years of conflict and the denial of freedom to Palestinians.
And his diagnosis? The correct treatment is not to kill innocent people in Gaza. |
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An Open Letter to A citizen Of Gaza:Share
Today at 11:40am
By: Yishai G (reserve soldier)
Hello,
While the world watches the ruins in Gaza, you return to your home which remains standing. However, I am sure that it is clear to you that someone was in your home while you were away.
I am that someone.
I spent long hours imagining how you would react when you walked into your home. How you would feel when you understood that IDF soldiers had slept on your mattresses and used your blankets to keep warm.
I knew that it would make you angry and sad and that you would feel this violation of the most intimate areas of your life by those defined as your enemies, with stinging humiliation. I am convinced that you hate me with unbridled hatred, and you do not have even the tiniest desire to hear what I have to say. At the same time, it is important for me to say the following in the hope that there is even the minutest chance that you will hear me.
I spent many days in your home. You and your family’s presence was felt in every corner. I saw your family portraits on the wall, and I thought of my family. I saw your wife’s perfume bottles on the bureau, and I thought of my wife. I saw your children’s toys and their English language schoolbooks. I saw your personal computer and how you set up the modem and wireless phone next to the screen, just as I do.
I wanted you to know that despite the immense disorder you found in your house that was created during a search for explosives and tunnels (which were indeed found in other homes), we did our best to treat your possessions with respect. When I moved the computer table, I disconnected the cables and lay them down neatly on the floor, as I would do with my own computer. I even covered the computer from dust with a piece of cloth. I tried to fold the clothes that fell when we moved the closet although not the same as you would have done, but at least in such a way that nothing would get lost.
I know that the devastation, the bullet holes in your walls and the destruction of those homes near you place my descriptions in a ridiculous light. Still, I need you to understand me, us, and hope that you will channel your anger and criticism to the right places.
I decided to write you this letter specifically because I stayed in your home.
I can surmise that you are intelligent and educated and there are those in your household that are university students. Your children learn English, and you are connected to the Internet. You are not ignorant; you know what is going on around you.
Therefore, I am sure you know that Quassam rockets were launched from your neighborhood into Israeli towns and cities.
How could you see these weekly launches and not think that one day we would say “enough”?! Did you ever consider that it is perhaps wrong to launch rockets at innocent civilians trying to lead a normal life, much like you? How long did you think we would sit back without reacting?
I can hear you saying “it’s not me, it’s Hamas”. My intuition tells me you are not their most avid supporter. If you look closely at the sad reality in which your people live, and you do not try to deceive yourself or make excuses about “occupation”, you must certainly reach the conclusion that the Hamas is your real enemy.
The reality is so simple, even a seven year old can understand: Israel withdrew from the Gaza strip, removing military bases and its citizens from Gush Katif. Nonetheless, we continued to provide you with electricity, water, and goods (and this I know very well as during my reserve duty I guarded the border crossings more than once, and witnessed hundreds of trucks full of goods entering a blockade-free Gaza every day).
Despite all this, for reasons that cannot be understood and with a lack of any rational logic, Hamas launched missiles on Israeli towns. For three years we clenched our teeth and restrained ourselves. In the end, we could not take it anymore and entered the Gaza strip, into your neighborhood, in order to remove those who want to kill us. A reality that is painful but very easy to explain.
As soon as you agree with me that Hamas is your enemy and because of them, your people are miserable, you will also understand that the change must come from within. I am acutely aware of the fact that what I say is easier to write than to do, but I do not see any other way. You, who are connected to the world and concerned about your children’s education, must lead, together with your friends, a civil uprising against Hamas.
I swear to you, that if the citizens of Gaza were busy paving roads, building schools, opening factories and cultural institutions instead of dwelling in self pity, arms smuggling and nurturing a hatred to your Israeli neighbors, your homes would not be in ruins right now. If your leaders were not corrupt and motivated by hatred, your home would not have been harmed. If someone would have stood up and shouted that there is no point in launching missiles on innocent civilians…I would not have to stand in your kitchen as a soldier.
You don’t have money, you tell me? You have more than you can imagine.
Even before Hamas took control of Gaza, during the time of Yasser Arafat, millions if not billions of dollars donated by the world community to the Palestinians was used for purchasing arms or taken directly to your leaders bank accounts. Gulf States, the emirates - your brothers, your flesh and blood, are some of the richest nations in the world. If there was just a small feeling of solidarity between Arab nations, if these nations had but the smallest interest in the reconstructing the Palestinian people – your situation would be very different.
You must be familiar with Singapore. The land mass there is not much larger than the Gaza strip and it is considered the second most populated country in the world. Yet, Singapore is a successful, prospering, and well managed country. Why not the same for you?
My friend, I would like to call you by name, but I will not do so publicly. I want you to know that I am 100% at peace with what my country did, what my army did, and what I did. However, I feel your pain. I am sorry for the destruction you are finding in your neighborhood at this moment. On a personal level, I did what I could to minimize the damage to your home as much as possible.
In my opinion, we have a lot more in common than you might imagine. I am a civilian, not a soldier, and in my private life I have nothing to do with the military. However, I have an obligation to leave my home, put on a uniform, and protect my family every time we are attacked. I have no desire to be in your home wearing a uniform again and I would be more than happy to sit with you as a guest on your beautiful balcony, drinking sweet tea seasoned with the sage growing in your garden.
The only person who could make that dream a reality is you. Take responsibility for yourself, your family, your people, and start to take control of your destiny. How? I do not know. Maybe there is something to be learned from the Jewish people who, instead of sinking into self-pity, rose up from the most destructive human tragedy of the 20th century, and built a flourishing and prospering country. It is possible, and it is in your hands. I am ready to be there to provide a shoulder of support and help to you.
But only you can move the wheels of history.
Regards,
Yishai, (Reserve Soldier) |
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| quote: | An Open Letter to A citizen Of Gaza
I want you to know that I am 100% at peace with what my country did, what my army did, and what I did. |
this guys words are as hollow as his conscience. it started off sincere but the further i got into it the more it seemed like a shameless marketing ploy to people outside of Palestine (maybe thats why its written in English and not Arabic?) probably an attempt to assuage his own guilt
He criticises the Palestinians for their corrupt government when in reality Hamas was democratically elected not because of its charter to destroy Israel but because they were sick of corruption inside of Fatah. Then he talks about how magnanimous the state of Israel is because it supplies the largest open air prison in the world with "electricity water, and goods" and with the condescencion of an occupying power says "the reality is so simple, even a seven year old can understand..." don't bite the hand that feeds you bad little puppy wuppy or we will destroy your schools so even your seven year olds will grow up fearing us and knowing only violence! |
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| quote: | Magnetonium
As Dr Izzeldeen stood in the wreckage of his family's life, I asked him if he still believed in peace.
He said he did, and so did his Israeli friends, but their army and those who gave it orders did not. I put to him Israel's argument, that it was a defensive war provoked by Hamas rocket attacks on Israeli civilians.
He answered like a doctor. Hamas and the rockets, he said, were the symptoms of a disease caused by a hundred years of conflict and the denial of freedom to Palestinians.
And his diagnosis? The correct treatment is not to kill innocent people in Gaza. |
its a depressing story, lets hope he doesn't turn into an extremist, but lets be honest here, who including the zionists would blame him after what has happened to him? I thought his last sentences were very apt. |
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| DJ Damerchi |
So the elections went down, the right wing had a huge surge as was expected. I realized that the arab parties had been reinstated by the supreme court-that was really great to find out, i thought the israeli arabs would boycott the election otherwise. during that time when they were suspended, i thought that the initial council that banned them was bullying, at a critical time too. It was good to know there was a sound supreme court to reverse that choice. Me and Buitre were discussing the corruption of these parties before, and he certainly must have felt betrayed by his supreme court:D
Likud more than doubled their members of the knesset
Gil lost everything, does anyone care to share why this happened?It seemed a breakaway to "Justice for the elderly" brokedown the party
Labour went from 2nd to 4th place.
Correct me if i'm wrong, but i found out that the president's position is much more than just an image figure, it is Peres who will choose the party who is to form the coalition..not just who has the most seats necessarily(kadima)
I am assuming the president has his own election on his own timeline?
I hope netanyahu doesn't start his settling again.
ps:that jon stewart clip about binni and zippi is jokes
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