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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by TranceGiant
article from jpost.com
How low can you get really? |
it wasn't an opinionated quote... it was a factual statement. It doesn't matter if it came from Al Jezeera or Hamas TV, it would have been the same quote about Hamas declaring victory. |
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| TranceGiant |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
it wasn't an opinionated quote... it was a factual statement. It doesn't matter if it came from Al Jezeera or Hamas TV, it would have been the same quote about Hamas declaring victory. |
There's a misunderstanding here.
I wrote "article form jpost.com" in order to describe my OWN quote above ;)
"How low can you get" was referring to Hamas' killings against Fatah people in order to compensate for their own failure in the past 3 weeks. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by Arbiter
It's precisely the fact that it wasn't said for my amusement that makes it so amusing. If it had been intended as a joke it would have been a lackluster one, but the fact that it is "honest expression" makes it far more revealing, and what is revealed is rather droll.
All I am saying is that when you play with fire, you accept the risk that you'll be burned. I'm well aware that they believed that they had a good reason for playing with fire--they had to make a choice, risk versus reward. Now they are getting the bad with the good; excuse me if I'm not teary-eyed for them. The right to life certainly does not entail a right to be free of the consequences of one's decisions. |
Absolutely, but you should apply that same principle with a single standard now.
| quote: | Originally posted by Arbiter
The real victims here are the Palestinians who did not vote for Hamas. They made a prudent choice and yet they still must bear the consequences of the unwise choices of their neighbors. It's a shame--another miserable chapter in the squalid history of majoritarian government. But if they die, that blood is on the hands of those neighbors and the government that has led them to their death. |
Then do not ignore the history and cause of the conflict, and that is not the majority of Jewish people or Palestinians... the list gets much bigger, and militia organizations are a direct byproduct of historical injustices and the current residue. There is no solution to a problem with out addressing the root cause, which is why this nonsense and senseless bloodshed will perpetuate until it's addressed, as it continues till this day.
| quote: | Originally posted by Arbiter
If they are to die, I suggest that they go down fighting against their real enemies--those among them who choose badly.
We are all animals, struggling to survive just as our ancestors have for millenia. It's almost certainly true that there are plenty of Americans who deserve to die. But Americans have an advantage--good decisions in the past have created considerable room for error in the present. But nothing lasts forever. If and when Americans bring destruction upon themselves, then--in the only sense that matters--they will "deserve" those consequences as well... |
That is the same logic employed by terrorist cells who "target civilian populations" or engage in indiscriminate acts of violence, I hope you can see the problem with it.
I agree that in any democratic system, the participants (i.e. voters) are responsible for the leaders they put in to power and the consequences of policy decisions made. And yes, that can have extreme implications like you said. The problem is, there only way your 'punishment system' could be applied is if you have the ballot for each individual person and only those people be held accountable. At the same time, you are conveniently ignoring Israel's numerous act of state sponsored terrorism, aggression and continued expansion. By your logic, terrorist attacks are perfectly justified on the civilian population. And I strongly disagree with that both in the case of Israelis and Palestinians. So far you've only expressed a strong view with respect to the latter. If you express consistency in that view, I would respect that view yet disagree for obvious reasons. |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by TranceGiant
There's a misunderstanding here.
I wrote "article form jpost.com" in order to describe my OWN quote above ;)
"How low can you get" was referring to Hamas' killings against Fatah people in order to compensate for their own failure in the past 3 weeks. |
oh. lol.. sorry. my mistake :toocool: |
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| CHRles |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
At the same time, you are conveniently ignoring Israel's numerous act of state sponsored terrorism, aggression and continued expansion. |
All fabricated by "anti zionist" movements.
No state sponsored terrorism, no nothing coming from Israel.
The whole continued expansion argument is extremely weak. Israel gave the Sinai peninsula back to Egypt back in the late 70s, and gave Jordan the territory it seeked back in the 90s. Israel also pulled out settlements formed around Gaza. All this despite the fact that israel WON those territories fighting wars for its very survival throughout the years.
The Iranian government, on the other hand, is guilty of all of the above, ie act of state sponsored terrorism, aggression and continued expansion |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by CHRles
All fabricated by "anti zionist" movements.
No state sponsored terrorism, no nothing coming from Israel.
The whole continued expansion argument is extremely weak. Israel gave the Sinai peninsula back to Egypt back in the late 70s, and gave Jordan the territory it seeked back in the 90s. Israel also pulled out settlements formed around Gaza. All this despite the fact that israel WON those territories fighting wars for its very survival throughout the years.
The Iranian government, on the other hand, is guilty of all of the above, ie act of state sponsored terrorism, aggression and continued expansion |
Utterly ridiculous nonsense. |
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| Lemonad |
| quote: | Originally posted by CHRles
The Iranian government, on the other hand, is guilty of all of the above, ie act of state sponsored terrorism, aggression and continued expansion |
Well in saying this, show me proof of any of the above?
Where has it ever wanted to expand? Hell, Iran even gave Bahrain back to the Arabs.
Iran sponsors a terrorist state, says who? The Zionist West? So does that mean America is a state sponsor of terror aswell by supporting Israel?
Show me where Iran has showed aggression towards another state? Unlike, Israel, Iran doesn't kill kids for the love of it. |
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| CHRles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Utterly ridiculous nonsense. |
Say what you want it's all you true and is based on facts. Your little head just cant get around to it. |
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| CHRles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lemonad
Iran sponsors a terrorist state, says who? The Zionist West? |
So the entire West now is zionist. Interesting choice of words. Guess that includes Australia. Sucks for you.
Oh yeah, and the Arab states see Hezbollah and Hamas as Iranian proxies and as such as Iranian aggression and expansion. |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by CHRles
Say what you want it's all you true and is based on facts. Your little head just cant get around to it. |
More utterly ridiculous nonsense. You don't give a flying about facts. Here's a fact for ya...;)
| quote: | Amnesty International has accused Israel of committing war crimes in the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip.
The rights group's report for 2004 says Israeli forces have killed some 700 Palestinians - including 150 children - mostly in unlawful circumstances.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4580139.stm |
I wonder what your next excuse will be for this disgusting slaughter...:rolleyes: |
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| Lemonad |
| quote: | Originally posted by CHRles
So the entire West now is zionist. Interesting choice of words. Guess that includes Australia. Sucks for you.
Oh yeah, and the Arab states see Hezbollah and Hamas as Iranian proxies and as such as Iranian aggression and expansion. |
The Arab states know that if a Non-Arab state comes to power like Iran, then the shift of power is gone to the Iranians. The Arabs even wanted to change the name of the Persian Gulf to Arab Gulf just to regain some kind of power back. They are more afraid of the Iranians than anyone else and want them to lose just so the Arabs have the majority of power in the Middle East.
You still haven't shown me proof, shut your yap till then. |
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| DJ Damerchi |
| quote: | Originally posted by CHRles
All fabricated by "anti zionist" movements.
No state sponsored terrorism, no nothing coming from Israel.
The whole continued expansion argument is extremely weak. Israel gave the Sinai peninsula back to Egypt back in the late 70s, and gave Jordan the territory it seeked back in the 90s. Israel also pulled out settlements formed around Gaza. All this despite the fact that israel WON those territories fighting wars for its very survival throughout the years.
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sorry mate you cant win territories in a so called defensive war. haha.King david hotel bombings wasn't terrorism. ?
Have you seen some of the charges up against them that are going to be proposed to the ICC?? they break rules.
that vid you posted was alright, informative, but biased nonetheless. it failed to mention the violence on the zionists side, in the form of terrorism at times. the guy kept going on about 67, 67,67...proving some meager point that because hatred existed to the jews before that than the UN and their 67 borders. when he showed the initial proposal of the 50 50 agreement, he called it the measly state next to the palestinian land when the jewish portion consisted of 55 % +. hes not happy with 67? Its ing gold compared to what was alloted for Israel in the original 50 50 state agreement. the original agreement had Jerusalem completely surrounded by what would have been palestinian terroritory. I think there was an expansion mentallity from the getgo atleast to get Jerusalem. now that they have their holy place they are good and they are walling off what is not theirs.
LOL at the "slaughter of tens'" when 400 children died in three weeks.
If you cant admit the bias in that report, i dont know how you have the balls to rag on al jazeera like you do. |
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