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Official 2009-2010 NBA/Toronto Raptors thread (pg. 29)
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| cmccann87 |
| I'm a lakers fan and have been since the day i was born, Phil is thanking himself that he doesn't have to put up with those 3, anyway you slice it with these guys so called being friends and all wait till they are dissapointed, this franchise is gonna be in shambles |
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| Sly_Guy |
it's as good as done as far as I've heard. It's good for 2 reasons. Leandro is expiring, and he's a quick uptempo player whom will fit well with the running style our team seems to be building now.
Beyond that, we clear even more money in our TPE pile, meaning we now own some very inticing trade assets:
expirings:
Barbosa $7.1M
Evans $5.0M
Banks $4.7M
and a total trade pick exception of $17.2M
this means we have $34M in tradeable assets that teams looking to shed money could be interested in. As a result, the story of the Raps looking into Darren Collison and Emeka Okafor might have some legs. Or Monta and Beidrins, or Flynn and Al Jeff.....
this off season may have had it's biggest names take themselves off the market last week, but I'm liking the retooling BC has done so far, and the trade options now available to us. |
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| MarkT |
more fuel to that rumour:
http://www.thestar.com/sports/baske...y-hedo-turkoglu
I'm not sure how I feel about this though...
1. Barbosa's contract is not expiring. he makes 7.1 this coming year, he also has a player option for the following year at 7.6 million. barring a major resurgence, I suspect he exercises it.
having said that, I agree that a quick, dynamic, slashing guard is something the Raps very much need until (if) DeRozan develops. although Barbosa is a bit undersized at the 2, his quickness largely makes up for it...but seems like D might be a problem for the Raps backcourt though, no?
2. The TPE from the Bosh trade is about 16 mil, I think? no idea what Jones makes, but it's not much. so since they're taking back Diaw's salary (9 mil), does this not mean the Raps are GIVING UP about half of their TPE, not increasing it?
if that's the case, this scenario means Turk is out, Barbosa + Diaw are in...but about half of the TPE is gone.
it fills some holes, gets rid of unhappy Turk's fat, long contract...but somewhat underwhelming, IMHO. |
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| Sly_Guy |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
more fuel to that rumour:
http://www.thestar.com/sports/baske...y-hedo-turkoglu
I'm not sure how I feel about this though...
1. Barbosa's contract is not expiring. he makes 7.1 this coming year, he also has a player option for the following year at 7.6 million. barring a major resurgence, I suspect he exercises it.
having said that, I agree that a quick, dynamic, slashing guard is something the Raps very much need until (if) DeRozan develops. although Barbosa is a bit undersized at the 2, his quickness largely makes up for it...but seems like D might be a problem for the Raps backcourt though, no?
2. The TPE from the Bosh trade is about 16 mil, I think? no idea what Jones makes, but it's not much. so since they're taking back Diaw's salary (9 mil), does this not mean the Raps are GIVING UP about half of their TPE, not increasing it?
if that's the case, this scenario means Turk is out, Barbosa + Diaw are in...but about half of the TPE is gone.
it fills some holes, gets rid of unhappy Turk's fat, long contract...but somewhat underwhelming, IMHO. |
we're taking back diaw as well? WTF? k, that changes everything. I had no idea.
*EDIT*
the diaw deal likely sends calderon as well has half the TPE for diaw and chandler.....I'll take that as well. |
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| MarkT |
interesting...though that uses up even more of the TPE as Chandler makes over 12mil. vs. Jose's 9mil. (unless someone is thrown in to match that up better).
but Chandler's contract is expiring. So that essentially would shed Jose's two further years (9.8 and 10.5 after this coming season).
that is not a bad move at all if the idea is truly to rebuild. everyone being taken back has a contract that is up within 2 years or less, whereas Turk and Jose had 3 or 4 years remaining. |
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| SniFFleS |
They are not using any of the TPE for this deal calderone and another piece is being traded, looks like we will be having over 20 Mil off the books end of next year!
The rebuilding so far is looking very good. |
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| SniFFleS |
nvm, reggie evans and calderone are gone.
we keep the TPE and have 16 or so mill of books next year. |
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| Sly_Guy |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
interesting...though that uses up even more of the TPE as Chandler makes over 12mil. vs. Jose's 9mil. (unless someone is thrown in to match that up better).
but Chandler's contract is expiring. So that essentially would shed Jose's two further years (9.8 and 10.5 after this coming season).
that is not a bad move at all if the idea is truly to rebuild. everyone being taken back has a contract that is up within 2 years or less, whereas Turk and Jose had 3 or 4 years remaining. |
this isn't a rebuild. This is a retool. BC is shuffling the deck again to see if he can stir up a run and gun team in Toronto. He's now just one young, uptempo pg away from doing that. Curious to see how the next move will look. |
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| slingshot |
| While it's questionable as to how well Colangelo "evaluates" his "pieces," and how they fit together, there's no question that he's one of the best deal making executives in the league. At least if he fails with this, he's set us up with significant cap space over the next few years as well as 2 picks in each of the next two drafts. It's quite a relief as a raptors fan to see this newly acquired flexibility for the future. |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by SniFFleS
nvm, reggie evans and calderone are gone.
we keep the TPE and have 16 or so mill of books next year. |
this deal is MUCH more beneficial now :)
| quote: | Originally posted by Sly_Guy
this isn't a rebuild. This is a retool. BC is shuffling the deck again to see if he can stir up a run and gun team in Toronto. He's now just one young, uptempo pg away from doing that. Curious to see how the next move will look. |
that's certainly a more accurate way of looking at it, esp. with the additional details now.
I think it's a bit of both. he's clearly making moves to be competitive right away and allow the team to experiment with a new offense...but it's also providing flexibility to continue to makes changes this year, next year and especially in 2012.
hindsight is 20/20, but BC's big mistake was catering to Bosh by signing everyone to long-term deals to show stability. Unfortunately, when things don't work out, you're then handcuffed.
With all of these shorter deals, if things work out, great. you try to resign players or tweak the lineup. If not, you can let several people go and the Raps would then be a major player in the 2012 FA market.
potential FA class of 2012, btw: Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Carmelo Anthony, Brook Lopez, Chris Kaman, Robin Lopez...among others. I'm sure Melo resigns now, though CP3 has alluded to a 'big 3' in NY in 2012 with he, Melo and Amare (not sure how tongue-in-cheek that was though).
damn this Colangelo. Just when things seemed ty and fans are resigned to a ty season, he again pulls deals out of his ass and stirs up excitement for the season to start. |
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| infinity HiGH |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sly_Guy
this isn't a rebuild. This is a retool. BC is shuffling the deck again to see if he can stir up a run and gun team in Toronto. He's now just one young, uptempo pg away from doing that. Curious to see how the next move will look. |
Chris Paul muthaa!
*crosses fingers*
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
hindsight is 20/20, but BC's big mistake was catering to Bosh by signing everyone to long-term deals to show stability. Unfortunately, when things don't work out, you're then handcuffed.
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IMO his big mistake was drafting Bargs to make a big spectacle out of drafting a Euro big at number 1. He and Bosh were never going to make it. If we gave Bosh a defensive minded, tough centre to play along with then this team would've performed much differently over the years. Unfortunately Colangelo has a hard-on for 3 pointers so he needed to make a whole team of guys who can shoot 3's but play no D.
Honestly, now that I think about it Bargs was drafted because BC never ever intended on having a long-term future with CB. |
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