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| tubularbills |
| quote: | Originally posted by astroboy
Don't mutilate your kid. Circumcision of infants serves absolutely no purpose. I consider it unethical. |
what is so un-ethical about it?
it's not like you're removing a kidney or lung or some other very important piece of equipment of the male body. does the foreskin (lol, i almost typed forecast) really serve a purpose? i mean, it would be just like cutting some extra skin off the elbow or something. sure, there's no need to get rid of it; but is there a need (physically) for it to be there?
i understand the argument of it being "mutilation"...i.e removing something that really, has no business being removed....however, what are the physical problems that result from removing it? none. it doesn't hurt the male when they grow up. as long as the dr doesn't screw up and either only remove part of the foreskin; or nik the dick itself. |
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| jonSun |
| I wouldn't want my kid walking around with an ugly pecker. I say cut the kid. |
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| astroboy |
| quote: | Originally posted by tubularbills
what is so un-ethical about it? |
The unnecessary encroachment on freedom of bodily integrity is unethical imo.
If someone cuts off a girls clitoral hood or a bit of the outer parts of her labia everyone can see the problem (because it's not a part of our culture). But when someone cuts of a piece of a boy's wang, it's ok, cos we're used to it. IMO there is no significant difference.
| quote: | | it's not like you're removing a kidney or lung or some other very important piece of equipment of the male body. does the foreskin (lol, i almost typed forecast) really serve a purpose? i mean, it would be just like cutting some extra skin off the elbow or something. sure, there's no need to get rid of it; but is there a need (physically) for it to be there? |
Well to me the removal of freedom is what makes it unethical. I could give my kids tattoos and irreversible piercings of all kinds before they are old enough to decide for themselves. It would be less painful than circumcision and it wouldn't change the functioning of any vital organs but it would still be unethical imho, because it's unnecessary and i'm altering another person's body without their permission.
Secondly.. low though they are, there are risks associated with circumcision. Why would you unnecessarily subject your child to the risk of infection or possible life-long deformity (no matter how low the risk is).
in terms of the function of the foreskin, it serves 2 purposes:
1 - it keeps the glans (which nature intended to be covered by a thin membrane, and hence very sensitive) protected. Removing it removes the protection and changes the nature of the glans from semi-internal to completely external as the membrane is replaced with regular skin.
2 - it allows for a "glide action" during intercourse.. further reducing friction and making the experience more pleasurable, and less abrasive.
| quote: | | i understand the argument of it being "mutilation"...i.e removing something that really, has no business being removed....however, what are the physical problems that result from removing it? none. |
Ignoring the surgical risks present in any surgical procedure, yes there are no "physical problems". Nor would their be if I trim the edges of my kids ears off.. give him a couple of eyebrow piercings and tattoo "Tiesto 4 EVA!" on his back. But no doctor worth his salt would ever allow me to perform these needless aesthetic procedures on a child. Conceptually circumcision is the same. A needless aesthetic procedure on a human being that they didn't ask for. |
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| Arbiter |
| quote: | Originally posted by NeoPhono
You're quite right, I did simply ask for preferences. You're the one who said it should be the child's decision and I questioned you on it because if that were the case, I need to know where you draw the line. You then went on to say that the line was "lopping off body parts" but even that needs to be defined. |
I agree there's a line-drawing issue when it comes to some procedures; that is an issue that will be much more salient as our technological capabilities give parents more opportunities to determine the characteristics of their offspring on a genetic level.
My reference to "lopping off" of body parts was not an attempt to draw the line, it was merely an (apparently futile) attempt to illustrate just how far circumcision is from being anywhere near any kind of reasonable, rational place to draw the line.
| quote: | | If a parent has sound reasoning and it is not contraindicated medically, why is there an objection? |
I still can't tell whether you're being intentionally dense or unintentionally so. The answer to your question is right in front of you. Just read this thread: there are a lot of people who have very strong opinions one way or the other on the issue. If you don't see the obvoius ethical problems with robbing them of the opportunity to make such a highly personal decision regarding their own body, then I implore you to choose another profession... |
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| tubularbills |
| meh to each thier own |
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| astroboy |
| quote: | Originally posted by jonSun
I wouldn't want my kid walking around with an ugly pecker. I say cut the kid. |
I wouldn't want my kid to have a dick as numb as an elbow.. leave it as millions of years of evolution have created it. |
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| tubularbills |
| quote: | Originally posted by astroboy
I wouldn't want my kid to have a dick as numb as an elbow.. leave it as millions of years of evolution have created it. |
numb? i dunno dude, i can feel everything that touches mine...lol |
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| astroboy |
| quote: | Originally posted by tubularbills
numb? i dunno dude, i can feel everything that touches mine...lol |
I can feel everything that touches my elbow too.
Or the inside of my forearm to take a more sensitive area of skin.. but even then there's no comparison to the tactile perception of my bellend
PS - also I was being facetious in response to a simplistic remark. |
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| tubularbills |
| would you like to touch my elbow? :gsmile: |
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| astroboy |
| quote: | Originally posted by tubularbills
would you like to touch my elbow? :gsmile: |
I thought you'd never ask ;)
*masturbates furiously |
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| Sushipunk |
Lol at all the cleanliness posts. It's really not hard to keep clean :wtf:
I like my magic wand to be whole, thank you very much. |
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| tubularbills |
| :stongue: :stongue: |
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