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Meat eaters! Why do you eat other animals? (pg. 16)
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| Lira |
| The meal must be eaten forwards, but the diet must be analysed backwards. That's my existential contribution to this thread. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Theresa
"because I like it", wouldn't it seem like a simple minded thing to say? |
i think that sentiment has been one of the biggest driving forces in the evolution of mankind. seriously. |
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| Theresa |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
i think that sentiment has been one of the biggest driving forces in the evolution of mankind. seriously. |
Fair enough. I can appreciate that, and it's probably true. Why else would we be driven to do something if we didn't like doing it.
I suppose my argument is that a lot of people are band wagon jumpers who are going with the "because I like it" statement because it's easy and thoughtless. Obviously we like to eat meat.
What I want to know is, how can you justify eating it in the grand scheme of things? Why does your liking it give you the right to slaughter and farm other animals? Ignoring the morality babble, what is the core justification?
Some arguments I was thinking would come up:
Anthropological
- we have evolved from omnivores and are just going with it
- we are predators aka binocular vision, dexterity, etc.
- to support our lifestyles, we need to eat meat to gain more energy and be able to eat less
- etc.
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Religious
- God made animals for us to eat (quote some scripture)
- Jesus ate fish in this scripture.... therefore it is ok
- etc
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Anthropocentric
- Humans are the top of the food chain, so can eat whatever they want
- We are better than other animals and therefore the livelihood of other animals is irrelevant
- etc.
Anyway, it's no longer relevant. The topic does make for an interesting conversation though.
And once again to the idiots who are spewing pro-meat rhetoric at me, I AM A ING MEAT EATER! Kthxbye. |
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| Lews |
Out of curiosity, why are you?
What gives you the right to waste precious resources to farm animals for you to eat, when billions of people in the world are starving? What gives you the right to destroy the environment even more? What gives you the right to chose what creatures can live and what can't?
That's completely ignoring the whole personal health reason. I don't think many people care, since people smoke and drink and do drugs anyways.
And the religious excuse is complete bull and laughable.
Just out of curiosity :) |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
What gives you the right to chose what creatures can live and what can't? |
opposable thumbs.
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
What gives you the right to waste precious resources to farm animals for you to eat, when billions of people in the world are starving? |
lol. why should somebody else's starvation mitigate my own hunger? |
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| Lews |
*shrug*
Why should you drive a Hybrid when you can drive a Hummer? |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| that's hardly the same question. |
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| Theresa |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
Out of curiosity, why are you?
What gives you the right to waste precious resources to farm animals for you to eat, when billions of people in the world are starving? What gives you the right to destroy the environment even more? What gives you the right to chose what creatures can live and what can't?
That's completely ignoring the whole personal health reason. I don't think many people care, since people smoke and drink and do drugs anyways.
And the religious excuse is complete bull and laughable.
Just out of curiosity :) |
I fall under the anthropological standpoint. We are predatory animals, we have evolved from predators and have adapted to have meat in our diets in order to thrive. All of my ancestors ate meat, and so it is a learned trait that seems to be beneficial in some ways (and not in some other ways) and therefore doesn't seem like a trait I should modify.
The amount of fruits and veggies that would need to be eaten to maintain the same levels of energy that an omnivore gets, is too much for most peoples lifestyles. I don't have the time to prepare a ton of fruits and veggies and eat 8 times a day to keep up with someone who eats meat.
With that being said, I don't eat as much meat as some people do and prefer to eat fruits over most other foods. I am also lactose intolerant which eliminates a chunk of animal by-products.
Although there are some (or perhaps many) negatives to eating meat, most of those negatives have been a human imposed problem (adding chemicals to when we shouldn't be etc.). Naturally, we would have gone out, clubbed a baby seal and ate its eyes (lol), but because we are overpopulated, and evolved we can't/don't do that anymore.
I also wonder, as I mentioned earlier, if there would be enough arable land for the entire world to become vegan? Would we be able to grow food fast enough and consistently? If not, the natural evolutionary/survival response is to radiate in eating habits, which would lead us right back to meat anyway.
I wont even begin to try and justify it from a moral standpoint... that is a futile argument in my opinion. |
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| infinity HiGH |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
I grow lots of tings in my garden at home :) |
Ditto. I have a whole shed full of chickens. I used to have a cow but the **** took off. |
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| Lews |
It takes 10 calories of vegetables/grains/etc to get 1 calorie back from animals ;)
And you really don't need to eat that much. It's quite easy to get energy and not eat meat.
I stand by my point that the two reasons people eat meat is selfishness and laziness. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| id like to know why mr hippy thinks we have a duty of care (in the context of the food chain) when such a duty exists nowhere else in the animal kingdom? |
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| Lews |
This cat cares:
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