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Meat eaters! Why do you eat other animals? (pg. 7)
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| Cpt.Cocaine |
| Hence why we should stop eating pirate meat. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cpt.Cocaine
No. You're disregarding the fact that those populations also differ on a million other points. |
Look into the work of T. Colin Campbell, PhD (professor of nutrition at Cornel), he's actually accounted for these differences in his "China Study"... the largest nutritional study ever done. If you're interested that is. I'd also recommend Dr. Dean Ornish's papers and journal articles. |
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| Rose |
| Because they are ing delicious. |
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| Theresa |
| quote: | Originally posted by ownymcown
the philosophy of eating meat seems really stupid when a large majority of people fall into the other category, i.e. they like to eat it.
ultimately you're trying to figure out what we "should" do. but what's the right thing to do? ethics gets a little shaky when you bring animals into the mix. if i walk around and step on ants, is that ethically wrong? |
Hahaha, this is what I am saying. "Because I like it" sounds so dumb... let's think beyond that.
Despite not having teeth like most predators, it seems that we have evolved to be predators based on things like our binocular vision and dexterity etc. The fact that we are so large and need to have a lot of energy also supports why we eat meat. It is high in energy and it reduces the amount that we need to eat, which seeing as how we have evolved, is a benefit. Less time spent eating, more time spent on being productive in other areas.
In order to survive solely on a vegan diet, one must eat a lot more to obtain the same amount of engery. As there are so many people, it stands to reason that the planet wouldn't be able to support the dietary needs if everyone became vegan.
For religious people, most don't consider evolution and so use their faith to justify it. God created animals for us to eat. Jesus ate fish and therefore it is ok to meat. Etc.etc.
I am not asking about the morality of it, I am asking about the justification for it, the reason (beyond... I like it). I suppose in my attempt to encourage responses of the type I was expecting, I crossed over into moral territory when I didn't really intend to. My bad.
The thread did give insight to the 'others' category (which I intend to rename and refine in my paper). |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Arbiter
WRONG. CORRELATION EQUALS CAUSATION. GLOBAL WARMING IS CAUSED BY AN ABSENCE OF PIRATES. |
It's based on much more then simple corolation; however, I'm not about to try and summarize it all, as I really don't care that much about what anyone else does.
as above, I'd recommend the works of T. Colin Campbell or Dr. Dean Ornish if anyone is interested. |
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| Rose |
Because I like it sounds dumb? Don't you ing eat things you like?
I'm eating meat right now :disbelief |
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| Lews |
The answers in this thread are amazing..
Anyways, the reason people eat meat is for two reasons, if they live in a civilized state: Selfishness and laziness. |
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| Arbiter |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
It's based on much more then simple corolation; however, I'm not about to try and summarize it all, as I really don't care that much about what anyone else does.
as above, I'd recommend the works of T. Colin Campbell or Dr. Dean Ornish if anyone is interested. |
Given that there are probably literally billions of variables that correlate across those populations, you can control for as many as you want and you'll never get data that means the slightest thing.
See, I don't even have to read their works and I still know that they're idiots. It's good to be king. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
Look into the work of T. Colin Campbell, PhD (professor of nutrition at Cornel), he's actually accounted for these differences in his "China Study"... the largest nutritional study ever done. If you're interested that is. I'd also recommend Dr. Dean Ornish's papers and journal articals. |
How do they separate out effects of caloric restriction from effects of animal product restriction? Caloric restriction is proven to improve cardio stats and enhance longevity... |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Arbiter
Given that there are probably literally billions of variables that correlate across those populations, you can control for as many as you want and you'll never get data that means the slightest thing.
See, I don't even have to read their works and I still know that they're idiots. It's good to be king. |
I had the exact same expectation when I started reading Campbell's work... in fact, my goal in reading it was to poke all sorts of wholes in it... but I couldn't. I'm a hardened skeptic and lover of meat but the data Campbell's team collected is pretty solid. Anyway, I'll leave it at that because it simply doesn't matter to me what anyone chooses to eat... hell, I'd club a baby seal for fun. |
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| Cpt.Cocaine |
| quote: | Originally posted by Theresa
Hahaha, this is what I am saying. "Because I like it" sounds so dumb... let's think beyond that.
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That's funny, because "I like it" is probably the most interesting and the most complex answer given in this thread thus far. Most people don't look for logical, evolutionary or religious justifications for little things they do on a daily basis... stuff like:
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Despite not having teeth like most predators, it seems that we have evolved to be predators based on things like our binocular vision and dexterity etc. The fact that we are so large and need to have a lot of energy also supports why we eat meat. It is high in energy and it reduces the amount that we need to eat, which seeing as how we have evolved, is a benefit. Less time spent eating, more time spent on being productive in other areas.
In order to survive solely on a vegan diet, one must eat a lot more to obtain the same amount of engery. As there are so many people, it stands to reason that the planet wouldn't be able to support the dietary needs if everyone became vegan. |
I could go dig in my anthro books and write you ten pages worth of biological, sociological and cultural factors that favor meat eating, but in the end it still wouldn't answer your original question of "why do you eat meat", because, I can assure you, even the most avid meat-eaters who study these things ate meat long before they ever seriously thought about the fact that they were eating meat. |
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| Lews |
Great quote. Here's another one:
| quote: | Cardiologist William C. Roberts hails from the famed cattle state of Texas, but he says this without hesitation: Humans aren’t physiologically designed to eat meat. “I think the evidence is pretty clear. If you look at various characteristics of carnivores versus herbivores, it doesn't take a genius to see where humans line up.” As further evidence, Roberts cites the carnivore’s short intestinal tract, which reaches about three times its body length. An herbivore’s intestines are 12 times its body length, and humans are closer to herbivores, he says. Roberts rattles off other similarities between human beings and herbivores. Both get vitamin C from their diets (carnivores make it internally). Both sip water, not lap it up with their tongues. Both cool their bodies by perspiring (carnivores pant).
Human beings and herbivorous animals have little mouths in relation to their head sizes, unlike carnivores, whose big mouths are all the better for “seizing, killing and dismembering prey,” argues nutrition specialist Dr. Milton R. Mills, associate director of preventive medicine for the Washington, D.C.-based Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM). People and herbivores extensively chew their food, he says, whereas swallowing food whole is the preferred method of carnivores and omnivores.
Dr. Neal D. Barnard, PCRM’s founder and president, says humans lack the raw abilities to be good hunters. “We are not quick and don't have claws like cats, hawks or other predators,” he says. “It was not until the advent of arrowheads, hatchets and other implements that killing and capturing prey became possible.” |
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