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WMC 2011 Dates - March 8-12 / Ultra Music Festival March 25-27 -- DISCUSSION (pg. 22)
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| AY STAR |
| quote: | Originally posted by Scoops
i just wanna party where ever the most coke will be |
eric morillo at space |
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| Cool1g |
| quote: | Originally posted by AMMORA
2 comments from the peanut gallery..
1) Ultra effed up, they announced dates that did not match WMC and thats part of the deal! Had Ultra not made people believe that it would be "business as usual" weeks ago and announced dates at the end of the month, no one would be complaining as much about the earlier WMC week taking place. Promoters wouldn't have moved forward booking artists and venues, etc. This is Ultra's demise and GOOD KARMA will prevail.
2) if it weren't for WMC, we wouldn't even be having this discussion, again...good karma should dictate who you side with in this matter if you're taking sides at all. WMC, just as all of us, were blind-sided by Ultra's decision to flip them the middle finger and rape fans for extreme amounts of money. Miami is going to stick by WMC, an organization that has proven year after year for 25 years now to produce a well-organized and civilized series of events that are profitable and productive for the community. Ultra is a clusterf*ck every year and this year will be no exception.
Don't worry about the "gay" parties interfering with WMC parties...we've overlapped before and you've never even noticed! 3 years ago the food & wine show overlapped with WMC and no one cared or noticed! |
i disagree - i think its the WMC people that f*cked up by surprising everyone with the early March dates.... it sure sounds like this was news to Ultra and everyone else. if they had told ultra ahead of time and then they could not come to some sort of agreement, fine... that's business.... but they didn't.... they just sprung this on the entire edm community who had been working with late March as the projected dates since the WMC guys hadn't bothered to tell anyone. Big conferences give much more of a lead time as to specific dates than 4 months. |
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| AMMORA |
| quote: | Originally posted by Scoops
i just wanna party where ever the most coke will be |
Ultra week it is for you!! |
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| AMMORA |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cool1g
i disagree - i think its the WMC people that f*cked up by surprising everyone with the early March dates.... it sure sounds like this was news to Ultra and everyone else. if they had told ultra ahead of time and then they could not come to some sort of agreement, fine... that's business.... but they didn't.... they just sprung this on the entire edm community who had been working with late March as the projected dates since the WMC guys hadn't bothered to tell anyone. Big conferences give much more of a lead time as to specific dates than 4 months. |
Completely wrong. Ultra is contractually binded to follow WMC dates. They breeched contract. Ultra announced dates that did not follow WMC's already decided upon dates. Use your noodle here dude... |
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| Scoops |
YagerBomb.....
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| Swamper |
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/16...118/story.jhtml
Winter Music Conference Officials Explain Conflict With Ultra Music Festival
'We're going to be hurt a little bit,' admits WMC owner Bill Kelly about 2011 scheduling differences between the electronic dance music events.
By Adam Stewart
Controversy has swirled around the electronic dance music community for the past two days over the Winter Music Conference and Ultra Music Festival's misaligned 2011 schedules. While initial uncertainties left EDM enthusiasts crying foul over the seemingly early WMC dates, the initial lack of information has now given birth to crucial endorsements from prominent players. Late Wednesday afternoon Luis Puig, owner of Space Nightclub in Miami, came out swinging in defense of the 26-year-old Winter Music Conference's integrity and slammed Ultra Music Festival, accusing it of greedy practices.
"WMC used to be about free parties with DJs and industry folks sharing and enjoying new music. Now, it is about greed and money," says Puig in a 780-word manifesto sent on Wednesday to his nightclub's promotional e-mail list. "I love Ultra [Music Festival] and what they bring to the game," he goes on to say, "but I do not agree with their greedy strategy to manipulate and monopolize Music Conference. This is just not good for anyone." While Puig blatantly admits that he does indeed capitalize off of the business brought in by UMF (whose gates are just a short walk from his downtown Miami club), he is quick to point out that "without WMC, there would be no Ultra Music Festival."
Meanwhile, while Puig's manifesto was being absorbed by the masses, the official Winter Music Conference team posted an update to its website titled "Just the Facts," aimed at dispelling the various rumors scurrying about the Web over the past 36 hours.
"We were blindsided by Ultra's last minute announcement," said WMC organizers of UMF's supposed noncompliance. The WMC post alleged that UMF management breached their contract with WMC, claiming "a signed October 15, 2009, contract between the two entities [stating] that the 2011 Ultra Music Festival would be presented during the five-day period in February, March or April 2011 designated and promoted by WMC as the 'WMC week.' " While the specific legalities officially associated with this possible breach are unclear, it is rumored that UMF was unable to secure permitting in Miami's Bicentennial Park for the weekend of March 11-13 due to the annual Calle Ocho Carnival, which is expected to draw a crowd of more than 1 million to downtown Miami on March 13. A lack of municipal resources are being tagged with the blame.
"This is the last year Ultra will be able to use [Bicentenial] Park as the City has begun construction on a large museum," Puig claims. "[T]here is no other large park for festivals anywhere near the Beach." If this is indeed the case, 2012's events could be pushed even further apart.
Puig — who also heads up the WMC's famed Surfcomber Pool Parties — spoke to MTV News Wednesday night and argued that neither artists nor party promoters will even have the ability to properly sustain a pool-party-laced, faux-WMC week centered around the UMF dates. "The city will not give out weekly permits for pool or beach parties outside of WMC [week], which means that there will not be Pool Parties the week of Ultra," he said. "What is Miami without a pool or a beach?" If this is indeed true, then one of the most alluring and popular elements of a potential "UMF Week" would be pushed to the wayside.
Later in the evening, WMC owner and co-founder Bill Kelly spoke exclusively to MTV News and further corroborated the points in Puig's manifesto, exclaiming, "Louis nailed it on the head!" Kelly, however, does admit that the departure of UMF from WMC week will absolutely affect his longstanding operation negatively. "We're going to be hurt a little bit," he says, noting that more than 25 percent of those who buy the official WMC registration pass — which currently costs $275 — do so to take advantage of the complimentary UMF ticket (now selling at $179 for the three-day pass). However, Kelly goes on to speculate that the separation of the two entities might actually open up new doors for both parties, including one scenario that might even entail the creation of WMC's own exclusive "festival style" performance centerpiece.
"The possibility of doing a smaller, more intimate festival on the beach is a real possibility now," says Kelly. "Because of Ultra Music Festival's size, they have been banned from [having their event] on [Miami] Beach." Some would agree that Puig, who recently pulled off the Miami permutation of the Swedish House Mafia's "Masquerade Motel" to a crowd of nearly 10,000, is perfectly suited to take on that challenge. When asked, Puig neither confirmed nor denied the possibility.
In addition to Puig's WMC endorsement, many others seem to be at least silently preparing to publicly do the same, including promotional groups such as BMF/Aurelia, who last year played host to the popular Belevedere VIP Lounge at the W Hotel, which also has announced its pairing with the official WMC dates, likely returning its base of operations to the W.
"Winter Music Conference is a weeklong cultural celebration and they have our full support," says Aurelia Group president Lainie Copicotto. "From VIP Music Lounges to huge nightclubs to small 'in-stores' and poolside performances, WMC is not about one event or one DJ. WMC is the bigger picture."
With these key WMC endorsements, those historically involved have now been prompted to take sides in the matter. Ultra Records, which carries no affiliation to UMF, and the online-EMD-music store Beatport have both told MTV News that they will issue statements and event plans for Miami in the coming days. MTV News is also tentatively scheduled to speak with the official UMF concert promoters later this afternoon. |
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| AMMORA |
it really is a shame the pot's calling the kettle black, LP has no business talking about Ultra being greedy or anyone else for that matter....and it sucks MTV jumped on his "manifesto" as its the WMC gospel...who made him the spokesperson?
when's the next mega Space closing party "shutting the doors forever!" gonna happen to jump sales and allure??
when the heck is WMC gonna speak up for themselves and clear up all the drama...the longer they wait the more people like the above point the finger at them...they need a good PR person ASAP to dispel the rumors and speak the truth.
most likely legal issues preventing this from happening since Ultra broke the deal by rebelling...greed is a bitch. |
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| sucanushie |
| quote: | Originally posted by AMMORA
You forget Victor Hotel, W, Ice Palace, Electric Pickle, etc just to name a few...they'll stick by WMC and book parties in our favor with talent in our favor...unless you want to see DeadMau5 and Guetta, no one gives a crap if Mansion has a gay night instead of F*ck Me I'm Famous...aren't they really one in the same anyway? lol |
03/22/2011: Air London @ Electric Pickle w/ Glimpse, Simon Baker, Kate Simko, Pezzner, Burnski, Geddes, M A N I K, Kris Wadsworth,
Maher Daniel, Adam Shelton, Crazy Larry
http://www.residentadvisor.net/event.aspx?201489
seems like Electric Pickle is not sticking with WMC? |
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| Cool1g |
| quote: | Originally posted by AMMORA
Completely wrong. Ultra is contractually binded to follow WMC dates. They breeched contract. Ultra announced dates that did not follow WMC's already decided upon dates. Use your noodle here dude... |
again - my point is that the WMC people told no one (it appears) about the early March dates until 2 days ago... it takes a year to plan an event like Ultra.... it sure sounds like they had thought it was the last weekend and were moving forward with that accordingly.
as noted in Swamper's article... downtown Miami has the Ocho Calle festival that same weekend and therefore they couldn't do Ultra then if they wanted to...
it sounds like to me the WMC people just picked a date without looking at the possible conflicts (SXSW) or just assumed that Ultra could throw their party whenever they want... that's on them... |
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| AMMORA |
| quote: | Originally posted by sucanushie
03/22/2011: Air London @ Electric Pickle w/ Glimpse, Simon Baker, Kate Simko, Pezzner, Burnski, Geddes, M A N I K, Kris Wadsworth,
Maher Daniel, Adam Shelton, Crazy Larry
http://www.residentadvisor.net/event.aspx?201489
seems like Electric Pickle is not sticking with WMC? |
yea watch and see who else they book during the WMC week though, they're gonna be smart and play both weeks.
Get Lost is already confirmed last week as well, but that doesn't mean there won't be additional parties lined up for WMC week now that its an even more alluring option!
promoters, if they play their cards right, can really do well with this situation...it'll mean bringing even more music to the people without as much competition as usual |
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| trancelaxer |
| quote: | Originally posted by AMMORA
WMC, just as all of us, were blind-sided by Ultra's decision to flip them the middle finger and rape fans for extreme amounts of money. Miami is going to stick by WMC, an organization that has proven year after year for 25 years now to produce a well-organized and civilized series of events that are profitable and productive for the community. |
first off if armin didnt say ASOT 500 was going to be at WMC/UMF or whatever he said none of this would of happend... And i am sure Miami wont mind if people are coming in spending money for two seperate weeekends...
And if you in or near Miami you must be really looking foward to the month of March |
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| Scoops |
hahahah i know the guy who wrote the article for MTV....
pounded many Ketel 1 shots wit him over the years |
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