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Police raid Republik?? What's going on? (pg. 20)
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| DannyPINK |
| quote: | Originally posted by exstasie
If this truly was about drugs, CZ seems like a great place to start :crazy: |
Leave CZ out of this! |
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| Skipper |
| quote: | Originally posted by tatgirl
You know whats funny is that all these people that are putting up the arguments probably would have a very different opinion on this matter had they had a boot on their throat.
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Probably, since they would have actually witnessed it. |
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| tatgirl |
| Well, there has been a witness account posted here, and Chris brings up some valid points about excessive police force, and yet no one is even commenting on it. Everyone just wants to jump on the argument bandwagon with Jayx1. |
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by jon jon
I'm glad as you interjected and took the time to post your account. I believe you 100% |
Me three. |
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| Skipper |
| quote: | Originally posted by tatgirl
Well, there has been a witness account posted here, and Chris brings up some valid points about excessive police force, and yet no one is even commenting on it. Everyone just wants to jump on the argument bandwagon with Jayx1. |
Nat, we have every right to argue with Jay specifically. He admitted to not actually being where everything went down.
Regardless of whether you're referring to me specifically or not, I'm not going to change my mind that he isn't an authority on what happened, based on the fact that he said he wasnt a direct witness.
Furthermore, I'm not sure that anyone in this thread ever said that excessive force was definitely not at play here. Without going back and re-reading the last billion pages, I think people only offered alternate explanations for what appears to have transpired. |
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| Endlesswave |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
Nat, we have every right to argue with Jay specifically. He admitted to not actually being where everything went down.
Regardless of whether you're referring to me specifically or not, I'm not going to change my mind that he isn't an authority on what happened, based on the fact that he said he wasnt a direct witness.
Furthermore, I'm not sure that anyone in this thread ever said that excessive force was definitely not at play here. Without going back and re-reading the last billion pages, I think people only offered alternate explanations for what appears to have transpired. |
I agree with kkeffka as well but again IF accessive force was used then it's messed up and should be taken into account, period. On the other hand blatantly running around saying "the cops are ruthless, they stormed the club for no reason." etc doesn't help things. If the cops have good reason for this then why proceed in that manner? |
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| tatgirl |
| I'm not referring to you specifically, lots of people are doing it. But I do believe Jay will have more knowledge about the matter even if he was outside the room, viewing it from a distance, as he is an employee there and would've stayed after to hear what transpired from coworkers. I'm personally not gonna argue whether there were 20 cops or 100 cops there. Bottom line, I'm sure excessive force was used, and innocent people traumatized. |
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| StereoPrincess |
| quote: | Originally posted by koncept
Regardless of the motivations behind this organized raid, the fact that police entered the premises "en masse" with guns drawn while a club is at capacity certainly demonstrates (at the very least) a complete lack of respect for public safety and a collective abuse of authority. Why didn't they use the back door if the goal was to arrest somebody in management? Wouldn't it make sense to lessen the time it takes to get to your goal rather than extend it? Seems like pretty strait forward logic to me. |
I agree with all the people that said it was absolutely within the police's rights to come in the full club with as much force as possible.
Imagine, just one cracked out coke dealer in that place to have a gun. Then seeing 2 police officers strolling in. That cracked out dealer could do much much much more harm to the patrons of this club.
The police had to have control of the crowd and the situation right off the bat. Even if it involved scaring some people. Better be scared than DEAD.
| quote: | Originally posted by koncept
A misfired weapon is not necessary. The police no right to point their weapons at unarmed patrons. |
And how exactly do they know they are unarmed? Just listen to the news on how many people get shot in the entertainment district. Do you think patrons just walk around with their guns out?
| quote: | Originally posted by Cro_Addict
So you do believe that it is OK to raid a club to arrest one person...when you could arrest him elsewhere??
This makes no sense...at all |
A search warrant is for a specific place. Why would they go raid him at home where he probably doesn't store the drugs anyways. Raid at the club is justified because IF he deals at the club, that's where his drugs would be.
| quote: | Originally posted by Misanthrope
this could happen to any one of us at any event.
What was one of the solutions?
"stop going out"
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Wow! No ing this could happen to anyone one of us. DUH!
We go to place where drugs are dealt on a regular basis. We go to places where some pretty bad ing people go to.
The solution? There really is none except don't do that is illegal. Do hang out with people that do illegal . And when the cop tells you to get the down and out of the way, you GET THE DOWN AND OUT OF THE WAY.
| quote: | Originally posted by Misanthrope
undercover cops
weave in - weave out
the end
not cause a huge scene. |
Huge huge risk for the cops. Like I said above. All it takes is one cracked out dealer in there freaking out and pulling out his gun and KILLING inocent people.
| quote: | Originally posted by Endlesswave
No. They should have used proper discretion as opposed to brute force on normal innocent people when they could've been less forceful about it (at least with those not directly involved). If I was just in the room when it happened and had a gun pointed at my face and my throat stepped on for NO reason EVEN as I did as I was told (ie laying down) then that's just stupidness and I'd be very pissed by it. Are you saying that the cops are justified in using whatever force they want (no matter how excessive)in situations they believe to be in the right? (Like getting a search warrant and storming a club and harassing innocent people?)
If a cop comes into the VIP area puts a gun to my head and tells me to lie down obviously I'd do it but if they abuse me physically AFTER I do that for no reason, how is that ok for them to do that? To protect me after I'm on the ground by stepping on me or beating my face in? Just asking question. |
Just listen to what the cop is telling you and don't stand there confused and you will be fine. When you think about it, the people that get hurt in these kinds of things are retards that think they can talk back to the cops. It is very rare that something like this will happen without a reason. You either don't listen to what the cop has to say, you don't respond fast enough, or you lip off. |
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| StereoPrincess |
| quote: | Originally posted by tatgirl
Bottom line, I'm sure excessive force was used, and innocent people traumatized. |
I don't agree with this. Who knows who else was in that club. I would rather 100 cops show up and control the crowd then have 5 cops and a gun battle break out. |
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| koncept |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
Nat, we have every right to argue with Jay specifically. He admitted to not actually being where everything went down. |
So why aren't you arguing "specifically" with KKEFKA as well? He couldn't see the entirety of the VIP from where was standing and certainly wasn't in that room when things went down (no offense KKEFKA). It's obvious that you have a personal issue with Jay. This was my first TA thread, and already, your feelings for the guy are quite transparent. |
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| tatgirl |
A week after the DC Riots of 1991, we were at a concert in the neighborhood of the troubles. 2 hispanic guys get into a scuffle on their front lawn (obviously a minor situation- not another riot breaking out) & 4 of us happened to be passing by when it happened. The police came down on that place immediately since tensions were still high in the area. I followed police orders immediately ('get out of the way!'), and yet they still decided to play human pinball with me by ways of pushing and kicking me back and forth between officers, even though I was following their orders & walking away, and had nothing to do with it. Not to mention, I was a 20 yr old girl. Observers were screaming at the cops to leave me alone from across the street.
So just because you follow their orders doesn't mean that's good enough for them. My 2 cents.
Bottom line, power trips often come into play. I'm not surprised. |
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| Endlesswave |
| quote: | Originally posted by StereoPrincess
I don't agree with this. Who knows who else was in that club. I would rather 100 cops show up and control the crowd then have 5 cops and a gun battle break out. |
I agree but what you said about not responding fast enough doesn't make sense in what I was talking about. If I DID respond IMMEDIATELY and layed down as SOON as the cop came in the room and the cop stepped on my chest, neck after that and I wasn't doing anything how is that NOT excessive?
I'd rather have the cops there than not there but have them behave properly instead of abuse of power. (keep in mind I wasn't there, I don't know what happened, I'm only going by what kefka and by what the other eye witness said combined, IF both stories are true).
Nat, that's ALL I meant and was trying to say. |
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