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Police raid Republik?? What's going on? (pg. 28)
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| DannyPINK |
So... getting back on topic...
Latest rumor is that Republic is officially shut down. Even if it's not true and they're only closed for the next 2 months, we must remember that Circa's opening right down the block within that time.
Either way I think Republic is done. No skin off my back tho, it's not like I ever partied there. |
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| KKEFKA |
I honestly think you have comprehension issues Koncept :conf: .
STOP taking my points out of contexts.
I’ll break this down for you again. In fact all show you how ridiculous Jayx1 claims are and how you take points way out of context.
Now, I’ll say this again the ONLY point we have argued about has been how 100 ETF officers came into Republik the main room. That’s it! Plain and simple. Do you get it now?
I think he is biased. Plan and simple- he works for the club and some of his posts have been exaggerated ex. 100 officers coming into Republik with guns drawn. I’m too lazy to post his comments (re-read were he corrected himself about the 100 ETF officers coming in the club with weapons drawn). In fact I think he said it was a grammar error…right. Also re-read his condo conspiracy theory (a personal fav):D!
| quote: | Originally posted by koncept
1) You were the one who initially stated that, "you were there", eluding to the fact that you had a vantage point which provided you a more comprehensive take on the event, yet somehow, you ended up on the main floor a few replies later. It was this exact position which Jay’s apparent “hearsay” accusation was based. Only difference is that Jay apparently works in the DJ booth, which is located about 20 feet off of the floor positioned where you would have observed everything. Considering that you could, “see clearly and hear what was happening”, I feel that it’s reasonable to conclude the following:
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Again you make assumptions “you were there” doesn’t mean I know all of what happened. You are making those assumption gaps all by yourself, not me. Thus I wrote later that I didn’t see all of what happened to clarify that. Because I never saw all of what happened. That’s why the only point I’ve really debated was about 100 ETF officers coming into Republik with guns drawn. THAT’S IT!
| quote: | Originally posted by koncept
1) you ended up on the main floor a few replies later. It was this exact position which Jay’s apparent “hearsay” accusation was based. |
I never said I was in the V.I.P area :conf:. Can you show me were I wrote I was? I think not. You again can’t grapple the concepts put fourth.
I assumed you had common sense. I could be wrong. Think about this for a second.
100 ETF officers coming into the club with guns drawn. Think about it. 100 ETF officers coming into the club with guns drawn. Do you know the amount of panic this would have caused?
| quote: | Originally posted by koncept
2) How can you make the claim that, “This is NOT how it happened”, and then follow up stating that you did not observe all of what happened? |
This point was addressing how the ETF first came into Republik the main room. That is why I wrote “This is NOT how it happened”. The only point him and myself were arguing over was about how they first came into Republik, that’s it. 100 of them didn’t storm in Republik with guns drawn. If you choose to believe that’s how it happened then good for you.
See how you are taking things out of contexts again.
I was right by the dj booth (which isn’t 20 feet of the floor btw) when some of the ETF officers first came into Republik the main room. I was asked to move actually and I tell you that there were NOT 100 of them coming in with guns drawn. Just picture that right now in your head - 100 ETF officers coming into Republik with guns drawn. Sound a little exaggerated. That’s because it is.
Now, if Jay was in the Dj booth when the ETF entered and he saw 100 of them come into Republik the main room alone…... Or was he accounting for ALL the ETF officers because he sees through walls?
Assuming he can’t see through walls…yet.
There would still be the V.I.P area and the other half of the club to contend with. So did 100 ETF come in there also? There was roughly the same volume of people on the other side of the club when I checked last.
Now, even more ETF are involved because they came into the V.I.P area too through the back according to Jay.
Now add that all up :eyespop:. That’s a lot of ETF officers don’t you think? If you think that many were in the club then I have nothing left to say to you.
| quote: | Originally posted by koncept
a. Jay was in a better position than you to observe and listen to what occurred in the VIP area because he is on higher ground and would be able to observe exactly as you did.
b. If Jay’s account is biased and hearsay, then your account must also be subject to the same.
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I haven’t written anything about what I saw/didn’t see happen in the V.I.P area, so were are you coming up with this?
p.s I highly doubt Jay could hear what was happening in the V.I.P area. Unless he has developed super power hearing, although he can see through walls.
| quote: | Originally posted by koncept
b. If Jay’s account is biased and hearsay, then your account must also be subject to the same.
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Have I said anything that sounds outrageous :eyes:? Again the only point we have been arguing about is how 100 ETF officers came into the Republik with guns drawn.
As far as I’m concerned Jayx1 has acknowledged his mistake about this issue saying it was a grammar error. That there weren’t 100 of them coming into Republik with guns drawn, but 100 ETF officers in total in the club at the end.
I wasn’t there at the end of it all because I was kicked out, so maybe he was right about that specific point alone. He was not right about 100 of them storming in Republik with guns drawn though. That has been the point of debate.
Does this make sense now?
| quote: | Originally posted by koncept
Which post exactly should I read again in your opinion?
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ALL OF THEM!
| quote: | Originally posted by koncept
Regardless, I'll take your suggestion to heart and put forth more effort in the future when it comes to comprehending your inconsistencies.
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Excellent, but remember the ONLY point we have argued about was the ETF entry. I hope you can handle all that without another comprehension issue. I’ll be here to help you if you take something out of context again. Good luck!:toothless |
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| KKEFKA |
| quote: | Originally posted by Abercrombie
SURPRISE BUTTSECS, doncha know Jamie?
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:haha: This is awesome!! I was thinkinig of a brick or coat hanger or something. |
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| koncept |
| quote: | Originally posted by KKEFKA
Again you make assumptions “you were there” doesn’t mean I know all of what happened. You are making those assumption gaps all by yourself, not me.
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I would expect that when somebody states, "they were there", or, "something didn't happen in a certain way", some substance would follow. It's not a matter of a "comprehension issue" KKEFKA, it's a matter of logic. Your particular argument that Jay was incorrect fails to prove anything because it takes for granted that which it was supposed to prove:
"You know the truth and others suppose that you are correct in knowing what you imply to be true, therefore you MUST be true." = logical fallacy.
Perhaps Jay's take was excessive or overkill, perhaps it wasn't. According to dark_entity's account, I'm not about to cast it aside. Another thing I considered was that Jay may have had the ability to stick around after everybody was kicked out and witness the aftermath. Either way, I haven't been around here long enough to get a feel for his personality, so I'm not in a position to conclude anything on those grounds. I can only look for similarities in people's accounts, which is why I am interested in actually hearing whatever you have to say about the night.
You [KKEFKA] agree that ETF members entered Republik, that guns were drawn, and dark_entity's account of the events in the VIP pretty much tells me what I was looking for from this thread. Only thing yet to be determined was what the weather was like outside while everything was being concluded... If only somebody were around to account for that...
| quote: | Originally posted by KKEFKA
I wasn’t there at the end of it all because I was kicked out
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While "certain idiots" are busy drawing conclusions out of thin air or complaining about banning me from a chat forum (LMAO), Republik is apparently apparently closed, and nightclub/lounge owners in the Entertainment District and along College St. seem to be dealing with some pretty serious dilemmas which threaten to jeopardize the future of their businesses. I certainly hope for the sake of you folks who take this lightly that you don't live in the GTA, because your idiocy and ignorance is bound to assure that this perpetuates.
Oh... BTW:
| quote: | Originally posted by KKEFKA
I haven’t written anything about what I saw/didn’t see happen in the V.I.P area, so were are you coming up with this?
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| quote: | Originally posted by KKEFKA
The only time I saw guns drawn was when the police were in the V.I.P area.
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And...
| quote: | Originally posted by KKEFKA
From where I was located I could see some of what was happening in the V.I.P area. The lights where on at that point and the music was off too. I could see clearly and hear what was happening.
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| Dj Smitty20 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
as far as my opinion is concerned... its a political message designed to scare people and send a message to clubland...
Get out and let us build our condos.
If you cant see that then thats your problem |
I wasn't there, didn't know about it unitl now. But I have to say that, given all the recent condo development buzz in Toronto, what you are insuating here Jay wouldn't really surprise me at all.
edit: just read the whole thread. Drama indeed. My own take just by reading everything is that something illegal was going down in that club, just like in all clubs on any given night. The cops would never go bust a club manager or owner for NOTHING. But all this talk of guns being drawn, kicking peoplewith boots, etc sounds a little disturbing and over the top, especially for the amount of chach being talked about here (an ounce? pfffff...) |
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| Flec |
| so i had the chance to talk to 2 barbacks edit: ( who were there that night) from republik, they basicly it wasnt anything supercrazy like this thread has made it out to be |
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| KKEFKA |
| quote: | Originally posted by koncept
I would expect that when somebody states, "they were there", or, "something didn't happen in a certain way", some substance would follow. It's not a matter of a "comprehension issue" KKEFKA, it's a matter of logic. Your particular argument that Jay was incorrect fails to prove anything because it takes for granted that which it was supposed to prove:
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Are you ill?
Why can’t you grasp this already? I already told you the only issue we argued about was how Jay exaggerated the ETF entrance into Republik with guns drawn.
| quote: | Originally posted by koncept
"You know the truth and others suppose that you are correct in knowing what you imply to be true, therefore you MUST be true." = logical fallacy.
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Then you come up with this outrageous statement. I think you like the sound of your own voice.
GET THIS. The only point we argued about was how 100 ETF officers came into Republik with guns drawn. I don’t know why you can’t get it. If you think I’m wrong and Jayx1 is right then fine, come out and say it already and well agree to disagree on this subject and we can stop arguing in circles.
| quote: | Originally posted by koncept
I would expect that when somebody states, "they were there", or, "something didn't happen in a certain way", some substance would follow.
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The fact that you thought some ‘substance’ would follow is again your own statement not mine. Just because you didn’t find what you were looking for in my post doesn’t discredit it. Those comments were made to address how the ETF officers came into Republik. So if you want to take them out of context and think they apply to EVERYTHING that happened that night in Republik good for it.
| quote: | Originally posted by koncept
Perhaps Jay's take was excessive or overkill, perhaps it wasn't. According to dark_entity's account, I'm not about to cast it aside. |
So you think that 100 ETF officers stormed into Republik with guns drawn then?
| quote: | Originally posted by koncept
You [KKEFKA] agree that ETF members entered Republik, that guns were drawn, and dark_entity's account of the events in the VIP pretty much tells me what I was looking for from this thread. |
I only saw guns drawn in the V.I.P area NOT in Republik the main room. That is why I have been arguing with Jayx1. There were not a) 100 of them and b) they didn’t have their guns drawn when they entered Republik the main room.
| quote: | Originally posted by koncept
I certainly hope for the sake of you folks who take this lightly that you don't live in the GTA, because your idiocy and ignorance is bound to assure that this perpetuates.
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This is the most ridiculous thing you’ve said thus far. Maybe you shouldn’t make assumptions about ‘certain idiots’ either.
| quote: | Originally posted by koncept
Oh…BTW:
And….
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How did I know you would do this?
“I haven’t written anything about what I saw/didn’t see happen in the V.I.P area, so were are you coming up with this?”
“The only time I saw guns drawn was when the police were in the V.I.P area.”
The only thing I wrote was that I saw guns drawn in the V.I.P area. Guns drawn is a pretty wide-ranging statement. I haven’t given any details about it. You seem to be seeing something I don’t from my statement.
“From where I was located I could see some of what was happening in the V.I.P area. The lights where on at that point and the music was off too. I could see clearly and hear what was happening.”
How does quoting this prove anything? This is such a general statement. It could mean I saw anything. I never gave any details as to what I saw happen/ didn’t happen in the V.I.P area. All I said was that I saw guns drawn. The lights were on at that point and the music was off in the club. I could see clearly and hear what was happening in the club. This doesn’t mean I could see clearly and hear EVERYTHING that was happening in the club. It means that I’m sure what I saw and heard because the lights were on and the music was off.
I’m pretty sure this topic is dead now. I don’t think anything new has been brought to the table between you and me in quite a while.
I’m sure you’ll want the last word so have at it. |
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| KKEFKA |
| quote: | Originally posted by Flec
so i had the chance to talk to 2 barbacks edit: ( who were there that night) from republik, they basicly it wasnt anything supercrazy like this thread has made it out to be |
+1 |
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| quote: | Originally posted by Adamo
the SIU always clears cops of wrong doing, its just a corrupt circle of pigs |
too bad the SIU isn't made up of police. it's civilians.
also, they are only involved when a serious injury takes place involving police. |
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| quote: | Originally posted by ravr
Half of the SIU are former cops.. Moreover, they are currenly being investigated by the government. The report should be out in early November
http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_11792.aspx |
That doesn't mean they're not doing their job properly. that "investigation" is more of an audit. |
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| loca |
Some people in this thread are really dense. And i'm not talking about koncept or Jay. Most of you act like police brutality doesn't exsit and no WAY would Toronto Police EVER use excessive force OMG!
Well guess what kiddos, they do. I know quite a few people who were unfortunate enough to be around when cops decided to go on a sudden power trip. My best friend was downtown when 2 girls she didn't know started fighting. She stood on the side and watched it develop while i was across the street getting some hotdogs. I know for a fact she was not yelling or encouraging them. Neither were most people for that matter, they just seemed to try to make it around the fighters as quickly as possible. Next thing i know, the cops come round and start beating the crap out of anyone standing near the girls INCLUDING my friend who was doing absolutely nothing. She got clobbered in the face and went down. Only thing i could think of was to go and grab her while i could, which i did all the while avoid the flying nightsticks or whatever those things are. Result for her? Split lip, black eye, and very swollen nose (thank god it was not broken). And all this for being in the general area of 2 girls fighting on the ground. Now please tell me T.O. cops don't abuse their power.
I believe JayX1; not only was he in the club before but he was also in the club AFTER the events, which leads me to believe he might be more knowledgeable than the people who were partying on the ground floor.
As for the 100 ETF comment? Well guess what, people do exaggerate. When you're in a club and you suddenly see 20-30 ETF storm it i think your mind is more likely to go in shock and make it seem like there were 100s of them.
Another thing, KKEFKA you say your only beef with Jay's account is the number of ETFs, yet in your post you seem to be discounting pretty much everything he stated...
And lastly, all the "jump on jay" bandwagoners? Sad, very sad. But i guess this is the new TOTA way. When it's not one person it's another. I find it very depressing that a community that was once so much fun and so tight knit has degenerated into what it is today.
Oh and banning koncept?! HAAHAHAA. Guys, he's not a troll. And you can't have him banned for having an opinion and defending himself. Ridiculous and completely hilarious. |
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| koncept |
| quote: | Originally posted by KKEFKA
So you think that 100 ETF officers stormed into Republik with guns drawn then?
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I don't really care how many ETF officers entered Republik, nor am I motivated by discrediting you on the principle that you happen to disagree with somebody else's account. As I mentioned right off the bat, I was not there myself, so I cannot determine who is justified based on my own account of the night. I can only look for similarites based on what others have contributed. These similiarites suggest that ETF officers entered Republik last Saturday with automatic weapons and seemed to scare the out of a few patrons in the process. Some people may have been injured in the process and Republik is apparently closed this weekend. The rest is moot. |
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