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Police raid Republik?? What's going on? (pg. 8)
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| Cro_Addict |
| quote: | Originally posted by dark _entity
On Sunday July 29, 2007 I was at Republik Nightclub. At about 1:10 a.m I have made my way upstairs to the VIP lounge for a break, to get couple of drinks. As I got upstairs, I headed straight to the DJ booth where my friends usually hung out.
In about 5 or so minutes I saw an ETF officer storm into the backdoor of the VIP lounge with a semi-automatic sub machine gun wearing grey jump suite and a black helmet, then the second one appeared from the same door the first one entered. At first they looked around the club as if they were examining the place, and then in about 30 seconds time the ETF officers turned around and pointed their guns at my friend and I.
As the ETF officers pointed the gun at us aiming at our heads, one if them started shouting "Turn down the ing music." My friend Andrew, who was playing music at the time in the DJ booth, has shut off the music completely by turning down the master level on the mixer. The officer screamed out once again "Turn the ing music all the way down," even though the music was shut off completely, as he said the last words he reached onto the table grabbing the entire rack mount and ripping out the mixer from its niche. At this point all I heard the drivers in the speakers popping.
As soon as they got this out of the way, the ETF officers ordered everybody who was present at the VIP portion of the club to go down on the floor and to place their hands where they could see them. At this point I heard people screaming, glass breaking and a lot more ETF officers as well as other type of Police units entering the VIP lounge from various different directions. Some of the Police Officer where running across VIP lounge with door ramps, other had pointed guns at people's heads. One of the patrons that were standing next to me was assaulted by the ETF officer. The patron has enquired the ETF officer about the situation, at which point the officer came next to him allegedly forced him to lay on the floor, shoved his boot against the patron's chest, his throat and in the general area near his face.
Following this I noticed there were a lot of people wearing dark blue almost navy colour jackets, they were looking around VIP for someone. In around 30 minutes time the ETF officers said to get our hands up in the air and to walk out through the backdoor into the Vision Room of Republik and into the Main Republik room from there we were directed to go outside. |
WOW :eyes: :eyes: |
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| koncept |
| quote: | Originally posted by jchung52
imagine if a gun had misfired and an innocent patron was killed/injured... tdot would be in for a big lawsuit... plunging them more into the hole |
A misfired weapon is not necessary. The police no right to point their weapons at unarmed patrons. There is no just cause for that kind of action ... unless, of course, the DJ was about to drop "The Bomb" By the Bucketheads. ( Bad taste. I apologize. ) |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by koncept
A misfired weapon is not necessary. The police no right to point their weapons at unarmed patrons. There is no just cause for that kind of action ... unless, of course, the DJ was about to drop "The Bomb" By the Bucketheads. ( Bad taste. I appoligize. ) |
These sounds fall into my mind?
LOL |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by koncept
A misfired weapon is not necessary. The police no right to point their weapons at unarmed patrons. There is no just cause for that kind of action ... |
I'm no expert at police procedure, but first thing they must do is to establish control of the situation. Since the cops are outnumbered in a rather crowded space, they have to assert control fast.
So there will be yelling. Some pushing. And some pointing of guns who look remotely not cooperating with police demands.
Nothing like a gun pointed at your head to extract cooperation.
(Yes, I've done training for this kind of situation) |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by chinamon
i bet all the the safety was engaged on all the guns. it was all just for show. |
God help that cop who had a negligent discharge because of a twitchy finger and safety not engaged. |
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
How dare they do this? How dare they |
It's called a search warrant Jay. |
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| Cro_Addict |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
Nothing like a gun pointed at your head to extract cooperation.
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Having had a gun almost pulled on me...i will +1 that statement. I was muuuch more cooperative |
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| Orko |
I have not idea what to make of this.
Kicking and injuring patrons of the club is not neccessary, but body armor and guns are. IF, and I mean if, they were raiding the club for the stated reason, a large precense, proper protection (offense + defense) and caution was justified. Raiding a large club, with hundreds, if not thousands of intoxicated people, who may or may not deal in illegal drug trafficking, is dangerous business.
I wonder if this will be lumped in with the war on guns, since drugs are so often implicated in the deals? |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orko
I wonder if this will be lumped in with the war on guns, since drugs are so often implicated in the deals? |
It'd make it so much more palatable to avg Toronto resident.
War on drugs plus war on guns? Sign me up! lol |
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| koncept |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
I'm no expert at police procedure, but first thing they must do is to establish control of the situation. Since the cops are outnumbered in a rather crowded space, they have to assert control fast.
So there will be yelling. Some pushing. And some pointing of guns who look remotely not cooperating with police demands.
Nothing like a gun pointed at your head to extract cooperation.
(Yes, I've done training for this kind of situation) |
I'm entirely too lazy to research Toronto Police Service Firearm Protocols at the moment, so I assume lawyers will be able to justify the necessity of automatic machine guns in a public place in the end. |
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| Jayx1 |
could they have not gone to his house? or waited for him to come outside? What if he were in an old age home? Would they be justified in using the same tactics? If it were a high risk operation dont you think theyd want to do their best to try and conduct it out of harms way of 1000 people? In my opinion this was complete recklessness. I feel that they acted as if there were hostages being held at gunpoint for the sake of a drugs charge.
Cant you guys see this for what it really is? |
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Cant you guys see this for what it really is? |
I see an employee of the club (you) trying to defend it.
(Unfortunately) your bias makes your arguments much less valuable. |
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