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| lex400sc |
| quote: | Originally posted by clubamerica
ok..what ever dude.open mind, i have an open mind not an oprresed one like u. |
ok this guy has to be an alt :haha: :haha: :haha: |
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| caddyshack |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
I do indeed believe that the theory of evolution is largely correct (I say largely because there is a high probability that at least some of the assumptions made are erred, I presume this will be corrected as greater fosil records are collected and studied). To me, the creation myth found in Genisis (which is nearly identical to a great number of creation myths written much earlier from other cultures in the fertile cresent) is a very good allegory for evolution.
As to where humans received a soul, I certainly could not say for sure... such knowledge is outside of our capacity. If I had to posture my own believe... I would say that all living things have a soul: I believe that the christian concept of heaven is actually flawed... I believe the "house of the lord" is a metaphor for a communion with God. My belief is not that our soul lives on with God but becomes part of God. If prior to the big bang there was only "the singularity" which must have created itself then one must presume (if one has faith) that the singularity was created not only by God but out of God, as God would have been the only energy in existance prior to the singularity. Since everything that exists as matter is an evolution of that singularity then all matter is part of God and to God it will return. I believe that life exists to enrich God.
As you can see from my answer above, despite practicing the Roman Catholic faith my beliefs are not entirely congruant with it. This is because I veiw most religions as being based on God revealing itself to humans in various ways that best fit with the circumstance of the peoples to whom it was revealing itself (ie. God put it into a context the people could understand). To me, the various religious families are variations on the same theme... stylistic differences, nothing more. I chose to practice as a Roman Catholic not because I believe other faiths are wrong, rather, I practice as I do because I prefer that style of worship and manner of living.
BTW, if you were looking for a strict RC based answer.... I believe the church's position is that humans would have been endowed with a soul with the evolution of Homo Sapian. The theological support for this would be based in Genisis' reference to "non-human" but human like creatures living in the wilderness beyond the garden. These "non-humans" were not the childeren of God as the humans were thus from an RC interpretation they would not have a soul. The existance of human like "non-humans" could easily be a reference to Pre-Sapian Homo species. Now, I cannot say whether the church would consider Homo Sapian Sapian or Homo Sapian Archeic to be the first endowed with a soul.
I thank you for the very interesting question.... this is why I love these sort of debates. |
That is a nice reasonable response. However what you believe you simply made up, or used intuition to come up with what you believe, its baseless assumption. all the respect tho |
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| wotyzoid |
| quote: | Originally posted by inconspicuous
so you're "not such extremist to memorize the bible. :p," but you're thoroughly familiar with all the nuances of the different translations? |
not pecisely, I know little but something about how the catholic church opressed words such as god's name and excluded it in their translations of the bible after constantine. |
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| wotyzoid |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
I would contend that the passage clearly does not mean the 144,000 lambs are the only ones to enter heaven because this happens prior to the judgement....
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Well the bible never mentions anything about a hope for all followers of jesus going to heaven but it promisses eternal life here on earth. |
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by RJT
I have to disagree with you here just a touch m8 - while I think there are certainly more violent and public demonstrations by religious fanatics than there are from atheists, to say that the atheists don't attempt to vehemently advocate their position is a bit misguided.
Atheists seem to me to be some of the most vocal individuals in society, they just choose to voice themselves in a different (and oftentimes more socially acceptable manner) than religious fanatics.
I find moderate members on both sides of the issue an absolute delight. |
| quote: | | Originally posted by Clovis The point I was trying to make is, Christianity is largely incorporated into our society, atheism is not. The "debate" if there even is one, is clearly skewed. |
And I've never seen atheists vocalizing their opinions pretty much anywhere in the media. Then again I rarely watch TV, but I do read alot of periodicals. |
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| RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
And I've never seen atheists vocalizing their opinions pretty much anywhere in the media. Then again I rarely watch TV, but I do read alot of periodicals. |
See now there's another problem with this whole thing - Atheists seem to prefer the realm of academia for debate, whereas the kinds of freaky conservative Christians we're discussing seem to prefer Fox News.
Even when the two do cross paths, they rarely seem to understand one another. |
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| jesusisgod |
Says hi to everyone.
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| infinity HiGH |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
And I've never seen atheists vocalizing their opinions pretty much anywhere in the media. |
I know plenty of them that ram their own "ridiculous" beliefs down other people's throats. They act as if they're "enlightened" because they believe in the theory of the Evolution while others do not.
ing hypocrites :rolleyes: |
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by infinity HiGH
I know plenty of them that ram their own "ridiculous" beliefs down other people's throats. They act as if they're "enlightened" because they believe in the theory of the Evolution while others do not.
ing hypocrites :rolleyes: |
Well yeah, those people are ing dumb. |
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| jesusisgod |
| quote: | Originally posted by beats and beeps
so i know they say that if a child dies when it is a baby...it goes to heaven, but what about someone who is old and senile? |
Did they accept Jesus for salvation. That is what matters
| quote: | | Originally posted by beats and beeps I've also heard that really disabled people go to heaven automatically too, if they have little or no will of their own. |
If a person is not given the choice to be saved, we believe God judges them differently than someone who rejects Jesus (by choice).
| quote: | Originally posted by beats and beeps
What if you are too crazy to repent? What if you get alzeimers(sp) and forget what christ is? I suppose if you have already accepted him into your heart blah blah blah. |
God will judge each person differently.
| quote: | Originally posted by beats and beeps ok but what if a christan goes insane when they are 70, and rape and murder their great great grandson and die upon ejaculation.
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Were they ever saved to begin with. That is something only God knows. |
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