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| SuspicionVandit |
I myself am a catholic, but I am a firm believer that God is a mathematician, and the math was so complicated and tedious, that King Henry just said " this , cut all the math out, leave the stories in."
I don't see a problem at all in religion(at least in its current form), it seems to keep a lot of people from straying to a negative path (raised or re-born). Not to say that everyone who is religious IS sane; every group on earth has its radicals and crooks, be it governments, corporations, scientists, and priests.
My biggest criticism would be the need to treat their beliefs (be it religious or athiest) as a militia and the need to recruit and abolish the opposition. I can't stand people who are insanely offensive about their spiritual beliefs.
also, after learning about string theory + MTheory's proposal that the universe is governed by a harmonious vibration of strings that collaborate like the violins of an orchestra, now i think God was a Mathematician AND a DJ. |
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| caddyshack |
| quote: | Originally posted by inconspicuous
The assumption is that Christians are:
A: Irrational
B: Inflexible
C: Unintelligent
D: All the same
and, thus, are either incapable of being offended, or deserve and should not object to the derision deemed appropriate and necessary by those with different beliefs.
It's an intolerant, insulting, and, most of all, ignorant premise. |
A: Christains believe in 3 distinct gods and at the same time exactly 1 god. REFERENCE
also, Christains believe in a fatherless man. Thats quite irrational, in fact if someone believed similar crazy stuff in a non religious setting they would be eating apples off wallpaper in an insane asylum.
B: Faith by its nature is inflexible
C: I wouldn't say unintelligent, but more delusional
im goin to hell |
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| Fledz |
lol yea because Religion is such a rational and by the book aspect of human nature :rolleyes:
You haven't made a single valid point... |
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| caddyshack |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
lol yea because Religion is such a rational and by the book aspect of human nature |
are you refering to what I said? I cant understand your jibber jabber |
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| tubularbills |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
There's no reason why you can't believe in God yet believe in Science too. There's a good middle ground. I'm Catholic yet I'm a scientist too.
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me too!
| quote: | Originally posted by SuspicionVandit
I myself am a catholic, but I am a firm believer that God is a mathematician, and the math was so complicated and tedious, that King Henry just said " this , cut all the math out, leave the stories in." |
lol, i like it:haha: |
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| Perfect_Cheezit |
A friend of mine, who is Christian, related this allegory about how if Christ was walking in the woods and came upon a man who asked Jesus to tell a lie, and if he refused, he would kill the pagan child. Christ would not lie because Christ cannot tell a lie. He said it is meant to relate the hierarchy of what is important in Christianity - that the primacy of Christ and the importance of how powerful and perfect God is means it is more important for Christ to not tell a lie because he is the embodiment of perfection that Christians strive to be, than to let a pagan child go to Hell.
I wasn't entirely sure what to think about it at the time, since I'm an atheist myself, but he did say it was a tough pill for a lot of Christians to swallow, and he believed his allegory to relate quite clearly how he felt about the whole thing. |
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| echosystm |
religion is lame... sif wake up early to go listen to some old pedophile talk about crap that happened 2 thousand years ago.
if it was a female pedophile i might have gone alot more as a teenager though. :gsmile:
GET MY SIN ON WOO YEA!11 |
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| eRRaTiK |
There have been more deaths "in the name of god" then anything else in this world.
I agree with Gandhi, and apply it across all religions. I have no issues with what is written in religious texts, however I don't agree with how people have chosen to interpret them over time.
The only person who has the power to judge you or anybody else is... you.
The only person who can make you do anything in life is... you.
I can understand why people need something to believe in. I choose to believe in myself.
I like what Einstein had to say about Buddhism:
"Buddhism has the characteristics of what would be expected in a cosmic religion for the future: it transcends a personal God, avoids dogmas and theology; it covers both the natural & spiritual, and it is based on a religious sense aspiring from the experience of all things as a meaningful unity" - Albert Einstein |
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| Taranis |
| quote: | | There have been more deaths "in the name of god" then anything else in this world. |
I think it's probably worth pointing out that a) that's probably an exaguration, and b) most of those deaths would have occured anyway, even if they couldn't take place under the pretence of religious warfare. Religion is a conveniant excuse for war, but I think you'll find that it has a lot more to do with politics than religion most of the time. What better way to convince your peasants to go die for you than to tell them they're going to go to an eternity of bliss or hang out with 72 virgins or what have you when they do?
Never the less, I think some of the more dogmatic, militant forms of religion in society do need to be curbed, but I don't think taking a complete anti-religious stance is the answer either.
I think you'll find that the vast majority of what people use to argue against the christian church aren't really central to the teachings of christ anyway. A lot of it is prone to mistranslation or misinterpretation, intentional or otherwise. The Church itself, I think, is pretty much obsolete in it's current form. People need to be less concerned with paying attention to figurehead leaders and spend more time paying attention to what 'they' believe, and what they think, and feel. Religion has become too caught up in the organization that they've lost all sense of spirituality.
Religion is something that's occupied a lot of my thought over most of my life, and I've kind of ended up coming to the conclusion that it is entirely possible, perhaps even as likely as not, that God (or some form of divine or spiritual consciousness or force) exists. I've also come to the conclusion that it's probably not all that worth worrying about anyway, I don't doubt that humanities notion of the divine is highly skewed, and I'm sure it (God, or whoever fills that role) concerns itself with far more important things than going to church once a week and telling a balding priest all the naughty things I did over the last couple days.
I figure when all's said and done, I'm a fairly decent person, and if that's not enough for god, then I probably wouldn't want to spend an eternity in heaven with him anyway. |
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| eRRaTiK |
Religion and politics - two different things?
If only.
I agree with what you're saying btw. That's what I meant when I said that I don't disagree with what's written, but the way that PEOPLE have chosen to interpret them over time is the problem - particularly when they've chosen them for their own political/financial gain.
| quote: | Originally posted by Taranis
Religion has become too caught up in the organization that they've lost all sense of spirituality. |
ZING! |
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| inconspicuous |
| quote: | Originally posted by caddyshack
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You've assumed that
1. All Christians are Catholics
2. All Christians take every word of the Bible as gospel
3. God doesn't exist
The first two are not true, and the third cannot be proven to be either true or false, yet you've used that as your basis for labeling a group of people 'delusional' and suggesting that they belong in asylums. |
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| inconspicuous |
| quote: | Originally posted by eRRaTiK
the way that PEOPLE have chosen to interpret them over time is the problem - particularly when they've chosen them for their own political/financial gain. |
There are extremists in everything imaginable, and religion is no exception. Citing their behavior as an accurate generalization of millions of people, though, is misguided at best. |
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