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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
Why are they not representing it? |
This is a good point.
They *are* representing it, you see - all those contradictions, all that unsound intolerance, all the hatred of homosexuals and sodomizers, alike, all the downplay of women and the value of a good, strong ox - it's all there in the bible.
Love your neighbour. Unless he's a blasphemer - the only sin which cannot be forgiven by Christ's monumental physical suffering. Oh, but blasphemy could mean a great many things, so it doesn't matter what we do to you since you are a heathen forsaken by God anyways. It's all there in the bible.
Treat others as though you, yourself, would like to be treated! Awesome advice, man, I love this one. Well guess what - mama beat me wit a clothes hangar so I guess I turnd out jus fine and will take to a-whippin mah youngins, too.
Worship no other God - unless they get the most votes on AMERICAN IDOL OH MY GOD I LOVE THAT SHOW!!!
It's all there in that awesomely-translated little book of perfectly adaptable vignettes, right there for anyone to take up a life of good ol'-fashioned clean-livin' anytime they wants ta! |
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| eRRaTiK |
Well there are exceptions to every rule, and there always will be.
This is a discussion, and a good one at that (I'm not referring to the initial COR-typical rants), and when talking about matters of any belief system generalisation will occur. Though it may be a flawed way of addressing such topics it does set the tone for open discussion.
After all, this is a discussion board ;)
EDIT: LOL @ Halcyon+On+On. You crack me up. |
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| beats and beeps |
HOLY WHAT THE IS THIS THREAD DOING WITH THIS MANY PAGES?
SHOULD I READ THEM? |
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| beats and beeps |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
There's no reason why you can't believe in God yet believe in Science too. There's a good middle ground. I'm Catholic yet I'm a scientist too.
inconspicuous nailed it on the head. Why are we all automatically treated as deranged loonies when more often than not we're the more balanced ones? |
dude i didnt call you loonies
i just wanted to know what happens if old senile guys rape their great great grandchildren and die upon ejaculation. |
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| inconspicuous |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Yeah. I'm speaking from experience. I know. But how do you know that the group is so 'limited'? In your experience, are devout Xtians you have known very scholarly and bright, tolerant human beings - paragon transmissions reflecting an immaculate figure the very existence of 2000 years is still in scholastic dispute? Or are they just average schmoes, followin' the ways they mom n dad taught em ta? |
I know it is limited because of both the fact that everyone's experience is limited, and that your own stance will naturally limit that interaction and skew it even further. Fairly level-headed people who avoid discussions of issues such as religion, regardless of the scenario, are only more likely to do so in situations in which they feel that there is a greater chance of confrontation than there is normally (such as a conversation with someone with very strong beliefs for an opposing side of an issue, as you have in this case). In my experience, almost no one is a "very scholarly and bright, tolerant human being," let alone being a "paragon transmission reflecting an immaculate figure" from any age. Most people are "just average schmoes." That's why it's called 'average.' Believe it or not, though, Christians can spell, and atheists can have southern accents.
| quote: | | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On True enough. But it's a common enough excuse to raise attention to. |
Is that the fault of the religion, though? I'd say it's more the fault of a societal slide into laziness & disinterest. Too much innovation & exploration & change has taken place since the beginning of Christianity for that to suddenly be the cause of an epidemic that has now spread across systems of belief.
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
haha, was this intentionally written like Yoda or were you just trying too hard? Either way, it's an entirely a matter of perspective. :stongue: |
Neither. No, it's not.
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
I would argue this and claim that it's very much locational. The United States has an enormous population of evangelical Xtians who follow whatever conservative radio, television and sermon tell them to do and to think. This may very well side more with a political agenda than a religious one, and the fault may not entirely be religion's - but enough people are breeding and raising their kids as little simulacra for their conservative bile to make it a very major issue in the US. You'll start seeing the results soon enough - I bet it turns out to be exceedingly similar to political/religious extremists in middle eastern countries. Xtian terrorism. Coming soon. |
Yes, Evangelism is growing rapidly, but I think you're very misguided in your assessment of that movement, as well as its impact. Second, differing political stances are not 'bile' and 'very major issues,' regardless of your own. Last, that final suggestion, while partly in jest, is both absurd and yet possible. As I mentioned, extremists will always exist, in every aspect of life. Citing their actions as representations of the whole is quite unreasonable. It's done solely for the purpose of injecting emotion into debates which need none. |
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| beats and beeps |
heres one thing i have to say.
I have read a good chunk of the bible.
Enough to know that if infact any of it is true, you are all horrible ing christians, and that its nearly impossible to figure out how to be a good christian by using both testaments.
Of course you are all gonna say, oh yeah christians are human too blah blah its about accepting jesus and praying for forgiveness, but you then.
In my experience christians have less of a conscience than me when it comes to morals. |
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| Fledz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
This is a good point.
They *are* representing it, you see - all those contradictions, all that unsound intolerance, all the hatred of homosexuals and sodomizers, alike, all the downplay of women and the value of a good, strong ox - it's all there in the bible.
Love your neighbour. Unless he's a blasphemer - the only sin which cannot be forgiven by Christ's monumental physical suffering. Oh, but blasphemy could mean a great many things, so it doesn't matter what we do to you since you are a heathen forsaken by God anyways. It's all there in the bible.
Treat others as though you, yourself, would like to be treated! Awesome advice, man, I love this one. Well guess what - mama beat me wit a clothes hangar so I guess I turnd out jus fine and will take to a-whippin mah youngins, too.
Worship no other God - unless they get the most votes on AMERICAN IDOL OH MY GOD I LOVE THAT SHOW!!!
It's all there in that awesomely-translated little book of perfectly adaptable vignettes, right there for anyone to take up a life of good ol'-fashioned clean-livin' anytime they wants ta! |
See this is where the problem is. We're in an age where we really shouldn't take things so literally.
Let's remember one thing, the bible was written 2000 years ago. An age when non-whites were nothing, women were lower class, we thought the earth was flat etc etc.
My belief is that we have to take the core values from religion and use those because at the end of the day the core values are exactly the same for every religion (except those crazy satan cults :p). As soon as we start to try and decipher it or read too much into it, it all goes to .
Like I said, nothing wrong with believing in Science and Religion. There is many of us like that and if you take the time to understand, it actually really does make sense. I don't see a world where the big bang just appeared from nowhere, but at the same time I don't see a world where it appeared in 7 days. Who's to say that a higher being (ie God) did not start the big bang and then it went from there.
Also another good point is that we may not comprehend time properly. God if he's there may not adhere to time. Why do thigns have to happen in a sequential order? Things don't make sense to use and they never will. Let people have their own faith.
This is all way too philosophical though and would take hundreds of pages to discuss. It would be an interesting discussion but you really need to be there talking face to face.
Err...anyway. What was the point again? Oh right. Not all religion is bad. Not all non-religion is good. The key is to find a balance and live with what you're happy with. Just don't give people this about Religion ruining everything and how people who don't believe in God are in some way superior to everyone else because of their newfound intelligence in being able to fathom there not being anything. Then you're just doing what religious zealots do. Religion or not, it still makes you a zealot. |
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| beats and beeps |
On the other hand, I probably consider myself more of a moral person than your God.
hes like hmm...I'll start this little game and see how it goes! oops i ed up! lets ing flush it down the drain! Two of each animal is good enough for a fresh start.
I wont do that again guys promise! This was test run!
Except for when i come back and end it foreal. |
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| Fledz |
| quote: | Originally posted by beats and beeps
dude i didnt call you loonies
i just wanted to know what happens if old senile guys rape their great great grandchildren and die upon ejaculation. |
lol wtf? How the hell do you expect anyone to know that?
Regardless it's still wrong. |
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| inconspicuous |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
This is a good point.
They *are* representing it, you see - all those contradictions, all that unsound intolerance, all the hatred of homosexuals and sodomizers, alike, all the downplay of women and the value of a good, strong ox - it's all there in the bible.
Love your neighbour. Unless he's a blasphemer - the only sin which cannot be forgiven by Christ's monumental physical suffering. Oh, but blasphemy could mean a great many things, so it doesn't matter what we do to you since you are a heathen forsaken by God anyways. It's all there in the bible.
Treat others as though you, yourself, would like to be treated! Awesome advice, man, I love this one. Well guess what - mama beat me wit a clothes hangar so I guess I turnd out jus fine and will take to a-whippin mah youngins, too.
Worship no other God - unless they get the most votes on AMERICAN IDOL OH MY GOD I LOVE THAT SHOW!!!
It's all there in that awesomely-translated little book of perfectly adaptable vignettes, right there for anyone to take up a life of good ol'-fashioned clean-livin' anytime they wants ta! |
We're back to the obnoxious, intolerant condescension, I see.
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
Why are they not representing it? Let's take for example Catholicism. Are you grouping us all and basically treating us like we all act the same?
I know plenty of Christians that have used their religion to better their life and others without actually preaching or causing turmoil. It's very high and mighty to dismiss people because of their personal belief. |
There's too much temptation to do otherwise.
I'm not grouping Catholics all together. Rather, I'm pointing out that there are significant differences between, say, the Catholic & Protestant Churches. To reference confession as a characteristic of Christianity as a whole is misleading.
To the second point, I agree, and have seen the same. I'm not attempting to claim that Christianity (or any other religion) is superior. Rather, the idea that attacking people based on such beliefs is just immature and offensive. If you disagree with them, that's fine, but to start a debate which requires that you accept that an entire group of people is stupid because they disagree with you, or that they're all horrible people and grossly inferior is just inane & inappropriate. |
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| Fledz |
| quote: | Originally posted by inconspicuous
I'm not grouping Catholics all together. Rather, I'm pointing out that there are significant differences between, say, the Catholic & Protestant Churches. To reference confession as a characteristic of Christianity as a whole is misleading. |
There are definitely difference but that's basically down to the way that the religion is taught. At the core, they are virtually the same. |
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| beats and beeps |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
(except those crazy satan cults :p) |
How much do you really know about satanism?
http://www.dpjs.co.uk/dual.html
Looks like you are more ignorant than an atheist. |
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